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Ray Rice suspended & cut - trouble for Goodell?

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I don't think Goodell saw that video. It's just too stupid a thing to lie about, and it's not like he's got nothing else to do. But they'll identify that woman's voice, and track it from there

Tornicade's point about women not wanting to report abuse by a player should be part of the discussion, but it's a feeding frenzy right now so reason is kind of out the window.

Honestly, I absolutely just cannot believe this.

Goodell oversees one of the most powerful organizations in the entire world.

They have an unlimited amount of money, connections and resources. They literally can get damn near any piece of info they want, at any time.

And the security footage at a casino? Where the NFL brings in hundreds of millions in bet slips a year? PFFFFFT. Please. I mean, TMZ got someone to give it to them. TMZ. The AP even got employees and police personnel to talk rather candidly.

The NFL absolutely got caught with their pants down. They thought they would slap someone on the wrist and move on.

Then when there was a wildly negative reaction to it, they implemented a more severe penalty, which they thought would make the story go away. It didn't and now here we are.
 
I wonder how the players feel about Godell crumbling under public pressure.. Thi weakness Goodell has shown regarding perception of the NFL can certainly be exploited on the next CBA. Owners would not be happy about this.
 
Contrary to my avatar and our former blog (numbers don't), I couldn't care less about the numbers in regards to this.

I don't care if a woman hits you first, you don't hit her. Period. IMO, it simply makes you a coward that you have to hit a woman to feel like more of a man.

I couldn't care less about him losing his job. If he was working a regular job, he'd be fired on the spot. No reason he should get special treatment just because he's a pro athlete.

yea idk about that.

someone cue bill burr
 
Goodell needs to go. Plain and simple.
 
its on like donkey kong

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/09/11/s...ts-roger-goodell-to-resign-from-nfl.html?_r=0

Goodell is gonna put a beating on those women advocacy groups..figuratively speaking

He added: “As always, we will continuously examine our procedures. I believe that we took a significant step forward with the enhanced policies on domestic violence and sexual assault that were announced last month.”
 
Here's the problem.. Roger released a statement to both the public and the owners of the NFL teams saying that nobody in the NFL saw the tape inside the elevator. Obviously, he leaned on the heads of each area to scour their people to see if they had any knowledge, but that ultimately failed. The position/status that he had his people bargain for him to have isn't working. He's responsible for that failure.

It looks good (prudent) for Goodell to call for an independent investigation, no doubt. I just don't buy that he called for it. I think savvy owners called for it and did it through Goodell to help repair his image, as he operates on their behalf. Don't have evidence of it, but that's what I'm suspicious of.

Like Goodell said, ignorance is not an excuse. The statement he made to owners and the public yesterday is ignorant and the reaction to having someone blow the whistle there was an excuse. The Ravens look even worse trotting out Harbaugh to wade through the media fire in a half-assed manner. Then Bisciotti, the owner of the Ravens, said "I couldn't have emotionally been ready to address the media yesterday." That is garbage. If Ray Rice was up front like they said he was (nice, Ozzie), they should've released him right away. Instead, they released videos on their website of women cheering for Ray Rice and their in-house writer wrote about how good a guy Rice is. Then, when the NFL suspended him 2 games, they ran away from it like they just got overpaid by a grocery store clerk.

Do I think Roger Goodell should resign or be fired? I'm not sure I'm ready to go there. He did fail here, though. He needs to begin thinking about structuring this "judge, jury and executioner" role differently. In my opinion, he should have committees for major areas like drugs, PEDs, fines, suspensions that also include subject matter experts in the profession. The statements and whatnot can still come from him, but he needs to show people that he actually takes these things seriously.
 
Goodell has modeled himself as a law and order commissioner who will hold players to a higher standard. The next time he suspends a player, is anyone going to give him the benefit of the doubt? Should they?

No credibility means no ability to lead. It's time for him to go.

On a side note: I don't want someone running the league who has policies and punishments in place for recreational drug use, while having no interest in establishing guidelines for domestic violence. This is a reflection of his priorities. The league pushed for tough drug penalties (for weed!) while negotiating the CBA, but has never tried to establish rules for handling physical assault chargers. Again, a failure of leadership.
 
Goodell has modeled himself as a law and order commissioner who will hold players to a higher standard. The next time he suspends a player, is anyone going to give him the benefit of the doubt? Should they?

No credibility means no ability to lead. It's time for him to go.

On a side note: I don't want someone running the league who has policies and punishments in place for recreational drug use, while having no interest in establishing guidelines for domestic violence. This is a reflection of his priorities. The league pushed for tough drug penalties (for weed!) while negotiating the CBA, but has never tried to establish rules for handling physical assault chargers. Again, a failure of leadership.

I think we are trying to hold the NFL to a higher standard than the rest of society. I am very anti domestic violence, but the hypocrisy is running rampant here.,

Jobs test for drugs on a regular basis, but don't fire for domestic violence on a regular basis unless the court of public opinion get involved (politician, cop, etc)

Most domestic violence cases are misdemeanors under the law, outside of weed, most possession is felony.

I am not saying its right, but lets stop acting like this would be a big deal if not for the video. That video shouldn't be so shocking. It doesn't show anything we shouldn't have known. What do people think someone getting knocked out looks like.

Its proof that 90% of society is ok with putting their heads in the sand about the issue unless caught on video.

Goodell is not the only hypocrite in this case.
 
TMZ gets this done in a day, while the NFL ceremoniously announces an independent investigation... Just figure it out Rog, rather than play the smoke & mirrors...


Harvey Levin is the owner (CEO?) of TMZ. He's also a lawyer.
 
I understand my opinion isn't shared by a lot of people, and that's fine. I just don't believe there's any situation where you strike a woman. If she comes at you swinging, grab her & try to stop her or just walk away. Just cannot envision any scenario at all where I'd hit a woman. Just feel strongly about that. To each their own, though.

Regarding regular jobs: While they normally wouldn't fire someone and/or get involved with an investigation unless charges are pressed, etc, they also don't have public perception to adhere to. Your WalMart worker beating his wife without her pressing charges wouldn't get past the store, if even that far. This is a whole different animal.

Not saying that's right, cause it's clearly not, more should be done no matter if charges are pressed or not. Not to mention, regular workers who have done a lot less have a hard time finding work because of it, while people expect Rice to keep his job.

And while true that Goodell isn't the only hypocrite here & laws are wacky, the NFL should've done everything & anything to get a hold of any type of evidence. As has been stated, TMZ was able to get it and were able to talk to countless employees, police, etc. Yet the NFL couldn't? I don't buy it.

Goodell is in the wrong not only because people believe he knew about the video, but because the penalty should've been stiffer from the get go and more should've been done to gather any & all evidence they could have.
 
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TMZ gets this done in a day, while the NFL ceremoniously announces an independent investigation... Just figure it out Rog, rather than play the smoke & mirrors...


Harvey Levin is the owner (CEO?) of TMZ. He's also a lawyer.

The owner of TMZ believes he knows the NFL source and he posts it on twitter. Do you want Goodell to do the same? If the story is true that a NFL employee had access to the video then the NFL has a duty as an employer to investigate thoroughly. TMZ being a headline grabber has no such duty or obligation. The NFL may also have a pretty good idea of who it is but it would be irresponsible of them to announce it without conducting a proper investigation.
 
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^Touche.

I'm just very skeptical of the grandiose measures the NFL seems to be using to get to a rather simple and common sense conclusion. You're definitely right in that the NFL really shouldn't say much until they have all of the bases covered. They already made that mistake (when they told owners and fans that the tape wasn't received by the NFL), so it would be equally as dumb to do it again now. My skepticism is really that in a league where they're known to check every corner, they shouldn't need outside intervention.

It looks, to me, like the independent probe is more of a save-face move to display prudence. All the while, Harvey Levin seems to be hitting the pavement for the clues.
 
I think we are trying to hold the NFL to a higher standard than the rest of society. I am very anti domestic violence, but the hypocrisy is running rampant here....Its proof that 90% of society is ok with putting their heads in the sand about the issue unless caught on video.

Goodell is not the only hypocrite in this case.

This is 100% correct. The truth is there are quite a few players who have had domestic violence issues, and who generally have not been punished very hard by the league. Sometimes, not at all. And I'd point out this reflects the problem society at large has at dealing with this problem, where a lot of court systems believe that so-called first offenders are best placed in some sort of counseling/intervention program rather than prosecuted criminally. Especially if the victim pushes for that. And nobody seemed to care all that much about it.

The punishment Goodell imposed initially was consistent with how such matters had been handled in the past, and was actually a more harsh punishment than that imposed even by the criminal justice system. But it became a "cause", and all of a sudden, being relatively consistent with what had been done previously now was a horrible error. The video -- which did not change the actual facts as understood one bit -- came out and the expectation became 16 game/indefinite ban.

So when Rice's situation first happened, should Goodell have just adopted a rule saying "domestic violence = permaban", and just handled it that way? Because moving forward, how can he do anything but that if he wishes to avoid another feeding frenzy from the cause-of-the-moment press and public?

Goodell's biggest mistake -- and it was a big one -- was insisting that he have sole authority over these kind of discipline issues. He's not God, and considering how often a full-fledged justice system gets it wrong, expecting the NFL to get these off-field issues "right" was just arrogance.

There should be an independent arbitrator to review these things. That way, the Commissioner can simply issue 16 game suspensions for essentially everything, and then let union outrage and an arbitrator rein it in. Goodell was a fool for setting the NFL as an entity up to be criticized like this for going too easy. Given how flighty public opinion can be, and how something that gets sensasionalized in the media can flip the rules for what is ""appropriate", that was a stupid mistake.
 
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Situations like this lead to incredible overreaction. Bystanders become outraged and want blood in the heat of the moment. I'm curious to see what the story is in a week because it'll change 5x between now and then.
 
Goodell has modeled himself as a law and order commissioner who will hold players to a higher standard. The next time he suspends a player, is anyone going to give him the benefit of the doubt? Should they?

It shouldn't need to be pointed out, but I don't think Goodell has engaged in any affirmative misconduct. He handled one aspect of his job poorly, on this one incident, by being too lenient. He's not the player who beat up his wife -- he's the QB who just threw 3 interceptions.

I don't think the owners will fire him simply because a great deal of fault for this devolves to them. The Commish has to worry about court challenges if he issues excessive penalties from the league itself. But there is nothing preventing teams themselves from releasing players who have engaged in this kind of activity, with no legal risk at all, because contracts aren't guaranteed. The Ravens should have acted here, and didn't. And that goes for other teams that refuse to suspend players for misconduct like this.
 

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