Ray Rice suspended & cut - trouble for Goodell?

[Phills14]

I'll wait out the facts before casting my opinion on Goodell. Seeing that video and doing what he initially did changes the game. We'll see if the reports are true that he had access to that info when he made his decision.

 

[Lee]

Goodell would have been better off keeping the 2 game suspension and making a statement that his new policy speaks for itself on how serious he takes domestic dispute.

Now he will be caught up in a web of lies that will prove how little he cared and many will start calling for his resignation.

This will get worse for him before it gets better. If it gets better.

 

[Soda]

This is really what the NFL had to say? Clearly, someone knew about it. Who's we? Not the NFL...

 

[Jack Brickman]

Ray Rice may have knocked Goodell out with that hook too.

 

[OhioSlayer]

I'll wait out the facts before casting my opinion on Goodell. Seeing that video and doing what he initially did changes the game. We'll see if the reports are true that he had access to that info when he made his decision.

It's not like this is the only thing people hate RG for. He knows everything about everything going on with the NFL but someone is going to try and convince me that he never had any clue as to that video? BS.

 

[Soda Popinski]

So wait...

What advantage did the NFL have specifically to protect the Ravens of all teams? I mean, I get that their Super Bowl Champs but would they have done this for every team or are the Ravens given more protection than other teams?

Im going with someone in the Ravens has something hanging over Roger. That is the only thing that I can come up with. It isn't like Ray Rice is a face of the league or anything that they would want to keep him out there. Someone had some black mail to hang over Roger

 

[Jack Brickman]

 

[Tornicade]

This is the problem Goodell tried to play David stern and failed.
When the video came out . Goodell could of came out and say the video really htis home on how horrible domestic violence is and thats why in the future domestic violence video or no video will be a 6 game suspension with a lifetime band.

When the video came out he shouldn't of put in the indefinite suspension. whether he tipped off the ravens or not and thats why they cut him i don't know. but if he hadn't of done that there would be know question that the ravens did what they felt best.

If goodell was gonna use the video at all.. now come on this guy clearly saw the woman knocked out unconscious before the second video release it should of been increased to a 6 game suspension.
just as the policy he introduced.

as two the two game suspension it was around what prior violators got and with the wife asking for leniency. two public apologies and Rice appearing commented to the terms of his probation. Goodell could of stuck to his guns.

instead he tried to out think the press instead of sticking to what made the decisions and gave the new video tape too much power.

cool heads prevail. Goodell could of made it not about rice but to promote his new domestic violence punishment.

instead now you have Ray rice out of a job and his children can expect a downgrade in their lifestyle.

not only that but why on earth would a woman married or having a family with a professional football want to report their significant other for abuse when they know that they are losing millions of dollars a year.

The point is they wont. this case discourages battered women from reporting the crime.

so unless its caught in public or video tape or someone hears something and calls the fuzz these women now have even more reason not to report.

btw battered women don't slap their man in the face in the hall when they guy spits at them for whatever prompted him to do so. They cower and they run unless they believe violence is about to escalate. in that case she wouldn't of waited at the elevator like she did.

Rice also never blamed the woman and acknowledged that he punched her something people like to forget.

and she still very well may have spent at him when she entered the video with her back to the camera or wherever they had just come from that lead to Rice steaming by the pillar and choosing to spit at her when she walked by.

What I am seeing though on these boards , twitter and the media is the same rage that simmered in rice when he punched that woman. people are showing the same lack of control with their emotions from a visual stimulus (the video) that rice showed in that video.

on to domestic violence in general
n17 In response to questions that specifically asked who initiated the physical violence in conflicts that became violent, women reported that they had struck the first blow in 53.1% of the fights, their partner hit first 42.3% of the time, and they were unsure about 3.1% of the fights. n18

For example, a 1989 report by Sugarman and Hotaling, which dealt with the results of twenty-one studies of assault among dating couples, 393 per 1,000 women in dating relationships resort to violence, as compared to 329 per 1,000 men. n19


Men are much more likely to cause harm in domestic attacks . the reasons are obvious but taking away a families means of income without first taking other steps is as irresponsible as not having a domestic violence policy at all.

the only thing that would reveal if this rice incident was a one time thing or behavior that is repeated is time.

Rice has an opportunity to atone for his actions he also could of been piece of future marketing for the NFL's apparent campaign against domestic violence... that's looking less likely to happen now

 

[Phills14]

 

[MoFlo]

Contrary to my avatar and our former blog (numbers don't), I couldn't care less about the numbers in regards to this.

I don't care if a woman hits you first, you don't hit her. Period. IMO, it simply makes you a coward that you have to hit a woman to feel like more of a man.

I couldn't care less about him losing his job. If he was working a regular job, he'd be fired on the spot. No reason he should get special treatment just because he's a pro athlete.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I don't think Goodell saw that video. It's just too stupid a thing to lie about, and it's not like he's got nothing else to do. But they'll identify that woman's voice, and track it from there

Tornicade's point about women not wanting to report abuse by a player should be part of the discussion, but it's a feeding frenzy right now so reason is kind of out the window.

 

[Tornicade]

Contrary to my avatar and our former blog (numbers don't), I couldn't care less about the numbers in regards to this.

I don't care if a woman hits you first, you don't hit her. Period. IMO, it simply makes you a coward that you have to hit a woman to feel like more of a man.

I couldn't care less about him losing his job. If he was working a regular job, he'd be fired on the spot. No reason he should get special treatment just because he's a pro athlete.

companies dont fire employees for domestic violence at regular jobs. its conisdered personal . also therea judge sitting on the bench who put his woman in the hospital with lacerations.
please provide me examples of people being fired from their jobs for domestic violence.
i enjoy though how sudenly domestic violence is the worst crime ever... when most cases its a misdeameanor.

its certainly something that needs to be addressed in society but it takes time.. 30 years ago men were allowed to rape their wives. society has come along way in that regard.

 

[The Oi]

Sidenote: there are absolutely circumstances where hitting a woman could be justified.

I wouldn't do it myself aside from legitimate self-defense, but I've seen women get hit and felt like they deserved it.

This did not appear to be one of those situations.

 

[Tornicade]

Sidenote: there are absolutely circumstances where hitting a woman could be justified.

I wouldn't do it myself aside from legitimate self-defense, but I've seen women get hit and felt like they deserved it.

This did not appear to be one of those situations.

is the topic really about the right or wrong of what rice did.

its about what the appropriate consequences should or shouldnt be and is it more important that the NFL maintain an image of zero tolerence or look for real solutions to their problems

its also a bit about social media and using it to cast judgement on clelebrities and entertainers more than do in their own backyard,

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

companies dont fire employees for domestic violence at regular jobs. its conisdered personal . also therea judge sitting on the bench who put his woman in the hospital with lacerations.
please provide me examples of people being fired from their jobs for domestic violence.

Depends very much on the job. A lot of employers won't fire employees for committing spousal abuse, though they may well fire the employee if they miss work due to jail time for spousal abuse. But it also depends upon how public the position is.

One thing I've never seen or heard of is a private employer doing it's own investigation outside of work to determine if the employee has done something bad. They rely on public report or perhaps police reports in some instances. But they don't get in the business of contacting witnesses, etc..

Which is one reason I can't figure out why people expect the NFL to do that.