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Reallistically- How long before will it take to be a top 2-3 seed in the East?

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It's not going to happen for a long time if these fucking queers don't stop teaming up.
 
Re: Reallistically- How long befoe will it take to be a top 2-3 seed in the East?

Wulfgar1224 said:
If you remember, it took the Cavs until LBJ's third season just to make the playoffs.
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This is a bit of a misleading statement, while technically accurate, because they only narrowly missed those first two years (by 1 game his first, and by a tiebreaker the second.)

It's not like they went 23-59 and 26-56 his first two years.

Kyrie and Tristan are, for better and for worse, not LeBron. They also are slightly more experienced above the high school level than he was at this point in his career.
 
Re: Reallistically- How long befoe will it take to be a top 2-3 seed in the East?

Still we very likely wont be in a playoff game until 2014. Playoffs is not contending in the NBA. In a lot of cases just means you are mediocre if you are seeds 7-8. I think many of us will really get excited if we an add a top 3-4 pick in the 2012 draft and also have 3 first rounders to play with in 2013 (kings need to improve) and have a ton of cap space as an asset. I believe the 2013 off-season is when you will see the team start to turn the corner in terms if talent. 2014 fun year to see the guys grow and jell. By the 2015-2016 season I expect this franchise to be back to contending if the plan has worked. If it bombed we would be looking at 6-8 thousand a night and many games not on TV (pre-Lebron).

HlmgrnsPhilsphy said:
This is a bit of a misleading statement, while technically accurate, because they only narrowly missed those first two years (by 1 game his first, and by a tiebreaker the second.)

It's not like they went 23-59 and 26-56 his first two years.

Kyrie and Tristan are, for better and for worse, not LeBron. They also are slightly more experienced above the high school level than he was at this point in his career.
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Theres a big difference between a young team with cap space and a lot of future draft picks being a 5-8 seed than a team chock full of nba veternas with little to no cap space while burdened with big contracts making a 5-8 seed. so im not sure why people cant make the distinction.
 
The team will get good as quickly as they add true stars to the roster. If they add a couple of good, but not great players, in the next couple of drafts they will likely hit the ceiling as a 6th to 8th seed in the East and get onto the mediocrity treadmill of the NBA. If they hit on a Dwight Howard, Kevin Garnett, Dwayne Wade kind of player in the draft--a no doubt 1st or 2nd team all NBA kind of player--they can get to the top 3 pretty quick. Don't forget that it is all about minutes, not number of players. You don't need 12 good players, or 10 good players, you need to fill 240 minutes a night with as much star talent as you can find. So adding an elite player for 40 minutes a night takes up 1/6 of the minutes you need to fill. And every team in the NBA fills about 1/3 of the minutes with the type of talent that can be readily acquired by every team--the Keith Bogans, Kyle Korver, Brendan Haywood, DeShawn Stevenson types that get significant playoff minutes for contending teams. If Thompson and Irving turn out to be very good long term players then you likely need just 2 more guys to make a huge leap if one of them is of all NBA quality. But obviously since there are only 10 guys that make all NBA first and second team--and most of them make it over and over again--the odds of hitting one in the draft is very low.
 
Tornicade said:
Theres a big difference between a young team with cap space and a lot of future draft picks being a 5-8 seed than a team chock full of nba veternas with little to no cap space while burdened with big contracts making a 5-8 seed. so im not sure why people cant make the distinction.
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Indeed. If we're building for the future, accumulating extra draft picks, not signing FAs to bloated long term deals, not making trades for aging and overpaid players to get better now, and we're simply winning games with the young guys and we sneak into the playoffs, it doesn't mean we're jumping on to the dreaded treadmill; it actually means we're on the right track.

But we're not going to be in the bottom 3 for a few years, racking up successful superstar picks at the top of the draft until we're starting All-NBAers 1-5, then decide to stop sandbagging and suddenly win it all.
 
minimum of 5-7 years given spurs like management making 0 errors which is near immpossible but cavs fans should stay hopful and watch these young men play the game we all love don't lose faith we know whats coming. I am extream optimsit when comes to these things. This draft is loaded anything can happen. At least were not stuck in neutral which is very possible. were moving. Bobcats Rockets and some say the Hawks are these neutral teams.
 
Some say? Atlanta is the definition of a team stuck in neutral.

I disagree on the Bobcats though. Walker and Biyombo are nice young players, and they'll add a top 5 pick this summer.
 
Here is an interesting rebuilding plan that actually mentions specific players and salaries.

Teams can't actually front load contracts as much as the author writes, but it is an interesting plan.

http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=6602

The big, final free agent piece is James Harden. Harden is a restricted free agent and the Cavs can offer him a max contract of 4 years and approximately $66 million. As some background, OKC’s payroll for 6 players in 2013 – 2014 is $38.3 million. This doesn’t sound bad, except none of those players is Russell Westbrook, James Harden, or Serge Ibaka. Given that the Cavs have offered Harden $15+ million per year and Westbrook and Ibaka could cost $30 million a year; that leaves OKC looking at $84 million for 9 players.
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I don't see the rush of making the playoffs. We already see the Cavs raped on television. Watching them get raped on ESPN won't make it hurt any less.
 
Not enough talent in this scenario to win a title. It would be a nice playoff team but not a tittle team. Not sure why Gibson would still be on the team. We need to obtain another impact player and I dont think Harden is good enough.


Douglar said:
Here is an interesting rebuilding plan that actually mentions specific players and salaries.

Teams can't actually front load contracts as much as the author writes, but it is an interesting plan.

http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=6602
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Douglar said:
Here is an interesting rebuilding plan that actually mentions specific players and salaries.

Teams can't actually front load contracts as much as the author writes, but it is an interesting plan.

http://www.cavstheblog.com/?p=6602
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needs more Ohio St. players, or should I say THE Ohio St.

fuck it, draft Sullinger next year and hire Jim Tressel to be d-coordinator

why half-ass it?
 
MRMsix6 said:
needs more Ohio St. players, or should I say THE Ohio St.

fuck it, draft Sullinger next year and hire Jim Tressel to be d-coordinator

why half-ass it?
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I would rather have L. Ross in 2 years if he develops. Not sure Craft is NBA material.
 
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