Round 4 - Pick 111 - Dawand Jones, OT, Ohio State

[buzzdog]

No, they don't. The value of the picks lost is exactly the same, and just as much of a negative because you could/should have had those picks in addition to hitting on the later picks.

That's particularly true in football given the sheer number of players needed to fill a team.

If a fourth round pick performs like a first round pick it most certainly lessens the blow from trading away a first round pick. This is not complicated.

 

[MGMT]

If a fourth round pick performs like a first round pick it most certainly lessens the blow from trading away a first round pick. This is not complicated.

Not to mention making the loss of an unreliable starter essentially forgettable

 

[adam81king]

If a fourth round pick performs like a first round pick it most certainly lessens the blow from trading away a first round pick. This is not complicated.

I go back and forth on this, but understand what @The Human Q-Tip is saying.

From a 30,000ft view, every draft gives a team a theoretical chance to add 7 players of varying skills and talent levels. Each team gets to add a pick in each of the 7 rounds. If, again in theory, 4 of those picks work out each year, then as long as you hit on 4 picks, you've had a good draft. Where @The Human Q-Tip is coming from is not being OK with a "good" draft, but wanting to hit on more draft picks than average. Every swing (draft pick) is a chance to hit a home run. The more swings, especially in the front of the draft, the better the odds to hit a home run.

All that explaining and I haven't decided which side I'm leaning toward.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

“Lessens the blow” talking about an emotional blow and fans rationalizing what some have called the worst trade of all time? Sure, but that’s a coping mechanism

Other than that they’re mostly independent. The overlap is something like if you had a first round pick and drafted a tackle maybe you don’t take Dawand in the 4th but that’s stretching the dependence a bit.

Me personally I don’t give a shit. I don’t need anything to “soften the blow” or cope with the trade. The trade was made. It’s over. I care about the decisions moving forward. The 49ers don’t spend an ounce of time worrying about the colossal swing and miss that was Trey Lance. I understand not every fan will agree, but my strong guess is the browns decision makers do

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I go back and forth on this, but understand what @The Human Q-Tip is saying.

From a 30,000ft view, every draft gives a team a theoretical chance to add 7 players of varying skills and talent levels. Each team gets to add a pick in each of the 7 rounds. If, again in theory, 4 of those picks work out each year, then as long as you hit on 4 picks, you've had a good draft. Where @The Human Q-Tip is coming from is not being OK with a "good" draft, but wanting to hit on more draft picks than average. Every swing (draft pick) is a chance to hit a home run. The more swings, especially in the front of the draft, the better the odds to hit a home run.

All that explaining and I haven't decided which side I'm leaning toward.

Not exactly. I am saying they are independent variables. Whether my fifth round pick hits or not does not change the worth of having a first round pick.

 

[buzzdog]

“Lessens the blow” talking about an emotional blow and fans rationalizing what some have called the worst trade of all time? Sure, but that’s a coping mechanism

Other than that they’re mostly independent. The overlap is something like if you had a first round pick and drafted a tackle maybe you don’t take Dawand in the 4th but that’s stretching the dependence a bit.

Me personally I don’t give a shit. I don’t need anything to “soften the blow” or cope with the trade. The trade was made. It’s over. I care about the decisions moving forward. The 49ers don’t spend an ounce of time worrying about the colossal swing and miss that was Trey Lance. I understand not every fan will agree, but my strong guess is the browns decision makers do

I actually agree, none of this shit matters.

 

[Benway]

I actually agree, none of this shit matters.

Totally. If we'd had more picks, we'd possibly have drafted another good player. Good chance.
But we exceeded expectations with what was left, and that has really helped.

 

[smalls1129]

I would use the generally accepted draft guiderails to decide if it makes up for missing a pick. LT, QB edge then yes I think that makes up for a first round pick. Otherwise I would agree they're separate conversations...meaning it can't be recouped.

 

[inliner311]

Why was Stefanski rotating in Hudson for Jones today? I didn't notice it until that false start penalty with Hudson but it just seems weird to be rotating players on the O-line

 

[CBBI]

Why was Stefanski rotating in Hudson for Jones today? I didn't notice it until that false start penalty with Hudson but it just seems weird to be rotating players on the O-line

My assumption is that Jones' knee is banged up to the point where he's struggling to play a full game or potentially struggling to drive block in the running game.

I didn't watch that RT rotation all that close this week, but last week Jones was only really being used in obvious passing situations.

 

[Beanie4Heisman]