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So long, David Griffin

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K1rieIrving>AllOtherPG's said:
You are not beating them with Love that's for damn sure, if you keep this roster LeBron leaves next year anyway, so the choices are:

- Do nothing keep Love, add some small pieces and get destroyed again

- You go All in on a PG13 rental, give yourself a much better chance.

I'll take the better chance please, because if we lose LeBron leaves either way, no matter if its Love or PG13, hes gone.
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But with Love, you can start a rebuild by trading him. With George, you can't. There is NO WAY I would trade Love for George. Let's face it, with our bench, we aren't beating Golden State with George or Love. We would be idiots to trade away the few assets we have that could help in a rebuild.
 
Soar said:
TT less so when you consider the Noah contracts of the world. But TT is still undersized and I felt like that contract was also too high. Not enough paint protection for that cost.
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TBF LeBron publicly lobbied heavily to keep TT at any cost. I feel like when a superstar like LeBron that is signing these short deals and has you by the nuts, you cave to his demands. Although I think Thompson was considerably overpaid, I think Griffin's hand was forced
 
OptimusPrime said:
Good for you. Unless we were getting a George or Butler without giving up Love, none of these deals maximized anything. They plugged one leak while two more sprung up. If the deal doesn't clearly make you better, why set up the franchise to be destroyed for a decade over it?
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Yep, cause trotting out Kyrie and Love after LeBron's exit and watching them flounder to a 42-40 record will be completely worth not rolling the dice on something else.

I've seen what won't work. Will adding a wing like George or Butler make us better? Who the fuck knows but I just watched LeBron put up what? 34/12/10 on 56% shooting and that barely got us one game?

And our plan is to try again with the same team? With another 90 games on LeBron's legs and a year for released pressure and continuity to make GSW even better? LOL. OKAY.
 
I'mWithDan said:
Yep, cause trotting out Kyrie and Love after LeBron's exit and watching them flounder to a 42-40 record will be completely worth not rolling the dice on something else.
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You wouldn't be doing that though. You would trade them both for as many picks as you could. If LeBron leaves, you trade everyone you have that has value and start completely over. It'd be different if we had all of our picks, but we don't.
 
OptimusPrime said:
Good for you. Unless we were getting a George or Butler without giving up Love, none of these deals maximized anything. They plugged one leak while two more sprung up. If the deal doesn't clearly make you better, why set up the franchise to be destroyed for a decade over it?
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I think Butler-for-Love makes us better.

But I also think that there are about 12 players on our roster who are overpaid, and I would like to see some of them turned into more useful pieces. TT is as good as he's going to get, and he's mediocre. JR has already put himself out to pasture. Shump can't shoot and is an overrated defender. RJ and JJ are both about a year from collecting Social Security. There is a serious amount of chaff on the roster.

The basis for a team is Bron, Kyrie, shooters, wing-defenders, and a rim-protector or two. Go hard for Butler, and keep Korver and Frye. Basically everyone else - who cares?
 
FrontPageNews said:
So every move was good because we won a year ago?

Those were still terrible contracts that no one else bid on.
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A lot of revisionist history going on with Griff today.

No GM makes moves that are 100% good all the time but a lot of you are blowing some serious smoke out of your ass.

Griff was a very competent GM in a league where Vlade Divac oversees the well being of a franchise.......i.e. you could do a hell of a lot worse than someone like him DGriff (a majority of teams already do).

I'd also argue that many of his "bad moves" were a result of his hands being somewhat tied (TT & JR contracts as well as Delly walking.....and also the team just half assing the regular season...which ratcheted up the pressure leading to the Mozgov deal, which many people loathe).

People say we shouldn't have let Delly walk but call TT and JR overpaid. Delly would have been equally overpaid relative to his contributions. At some point, you can't just pay everyone......and additionally, you can't just let them walk either. You have to make decisions on who to keep and those decisions feel more and more pressure year over year.

The reality of a high payroll team is seeing role players cycle out and attempting to stick wadded up gum in the holes. The exact same thing happened in Miami and will soon happen in Golden State as well. It's just the reality of having a salary cap that isn't designed to carry 3 massive contracts on a single team.
 
KilgoreTrout said:
I think Butler-for-Love makes us better.

But I also think that there are about 12 players on our roster who are overpaid, and I would like to see some of them turned into more useful pieces. TT is as good as he's going to get, and he's mediocre. JR has already put himself out to pasture. Shump can't shoot and is an overrated defender. RJ and JJ are both about a year from collecting Social Security. There is a serious amount of chaff on the roster.

The basis for a team is Bron, Kyrie, shooters, wing-defenders, and a rim-protector or two. Go hard for Butler, and keep Korver and Frye. Basically everyone else - who cares?
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Trading anyone or everyone other than the Big 3 is fine with me. If Gilbert was worried about the future after these deals, I doubt he had those guys in mind anyway. Butler for Love doesn't make us better, though he doesn't make us worse, but it sounded like the Bulls weren't interested in that anyway. It's giving away Love for a George rental that I would have a problem with, and Gilbert would too if this was his line of thought. We don't know though. It could be anything.
 
iWx said:
View: https://twitter.com/AmicoHoops/status/876983628558995456
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What this tells me is Griff didnt see having 4 stars as necessary to compete with the warriors. Also the comment about Gilbert wanting to keep us contenders if LeBron leaves, tells me he doesn't want to trade Love for a PG rental. The take away from this is I think Griff was looking to trade Love for George/Butler and wanted to keep the rest of the roster the same. Was Griff not sure he could upgrade/replace the role players if he ship them off for Melo?

Maybe Dan Gilbert wants to add another star if it's Melo or George but do it with role players and Cedi. Big 4 and go after free agents to replace the back end of our rotation. There will be more growing pains if you go with a Big 4 and have to replace 3 or 4 rotation players.
 
Look, the time to try and build different parts around the big 3 was with TT. But there seemed to be pretty heavy agreement that he got what he was worth.

After that, JR got overpaid, but we had no room regardless.

Yea, I'd have liked to play hardball with TT. Truthfully, he should have been traded while he was on his rookie contract.

Has Griffin been amazing? No, but he won a title, and it's better than what Dan Gilbert is gonna manage to do.
 
Smh Gilbert is the worst. Great that he's willing to spend but gets way too involved in operations.

Grif was great and he was doing work.

If we end up with Chauncey "trade live for melo" bilups just smh
 
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