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So Long, James Jones

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cavsfever said:
LOL, you forgot RJ.

Counting Felder as signed, we have four players out of 14 who are over 35, and eight players out of 14 who are over 30. Got to be one of the oldest overall rosters in the NBA, although fortunately TT/Love/Irving being comparatively young gives us more of an average aged core.
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And Shump is only 26.
 
In other threads, I read about trades/free agents with a reputation as a locker room cancer. Some people were pulling for a Cousins trade, some wanted Larry Sanders to join the Cavs.

You can't do any moves with personality issues without a lot of James Jones types on the roster as well. Seems to me LeBron, Kyrie, and Love are already under plenty of tension finding their rhythm on the court together. While some wanted troubled Markieff Morris at the deadline, Griffin made a deal for another locker room glue guy Channing Frye, who doubles as a plus off the bench.

All these easy going vets create the environment for younger players to develop and thrive.
 
Randolphkeys said:
In other threads, I read about trades/free agents with a reputation as a locker room cancer. Some people were pulling for a Cousins trade, some wanted Larry Sanders to join the Cavs.

You can't do any moves with personality issues without a lot of James Jones types on the roster as well. Seems to me LeBron, Kyire, and Love are already under plenty of tension finding their rhythm on the court together. While some wanted troubled Markieff Morris at the seadline, Griffin made a deal for another locker room glue guy Channing Frye, who doubles as a plus off the bench.

All these easy going vets create the environment for younger players to develop and thrive.
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Yeah when it comes to veteran locker room leadership I don't think you could ask for a better trio of guys than Jones, Jefferson and Frye.
 
Randolphkeys said:
All these easy going vets create the environment for younger players to develop and thrive.
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But how many 35+ guys does this team actually need? And how many younger guys are they trying to "develop" for these old vets to mentor? Felder. McRae, maybe. Really hard to believe there isn't someone in the world with a decent, team-first attitude who would have more to offer on the court than James Jones, who some were saying was basically done as a player 5 years ago. But I guess he is pretty much guaranteed lifetime employment so long as LeBron is here.

None of this is meant to disparage JJ's contribution to the team the last two years. By all accounts, he played a huge role especially the first year in smoothing things out between LeBron and Love (and possibly others), and preventing a full-fledged mutiny when the team was 19-20. Seems to me the team is in a different place now.
 
Part of me is in full agreement. That is the part asking, "where are the new wrinkles for the 2016 season? Is Dunleavy, Birdman and Felder enough?"

But with Jones, his fellow teammates keep asking for him to stay around, and he stays at the vet minimum. Replace the word "younger guys" with "players changing their role." Now we see Jones is helping Kyrie figure out the balance between playmaker and scorer. Love is on record with everything Jones told him. Does Shump know how to be a role player yet? Doesn't look like it to me. Fiscally for a vet mimimum, and a lower luxury tax hit, he provides a lot.
 
kovanovich said:
But how many 35+ guys does this team actually need? And how many younger guys are they trying to "develop" for these old vets to mentor? Felder. McRae, maybe. Really hard to believe there isn't someone in the world with a decent, team-first attitude who would have more to offer on the court than James Jones, who some were saying was basically done as a player 5 years ago. But I guess he is pretty much guaranteed lifetime employment so long as LeBron is here.

None of this is meant to disparage JJ's contribution to the team the last two years. By all accounts, he played a huge role especially the first year in smoothing things out between LeBron and Love (and possibly others), and preventing a full-fledged mutiny when the team was 19-20. Seems to me the team is in a different place now.
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Kyrie, shump, tt, even love are still developing. They don't have everything completely figured out just because they won a championship. Having someone like Jones who everyone looks up to and respects (including James) is huge.

I don't know who you would replace him with? Another D league prospect? Nah. I'm good with a vet who shoots 40 percent from 3 and is well documented to be a hard worker and example of how to stay in shape and healthy.
 
At absolute best, Jones is probably like the 12th or 13th guy on the team. He's not going to get any run, and almost anyone in his spot wouldn't get any run, either. He's like Kaun or Joe Harris in terms of on-court usefulness, especially as Jones keeps aging.

But the guy is like Yoda. He's extremely intelligent and I personally think he is one of the most elite "locker room" guys in the league.

At least for now, I'm happy to have him back for as long as he wants to come back. The Love testimonial pretty much says it all in my book.
 
LeShaq said:
At absolute best, Jones is probably like the 12th or 13th guy on the team. He's not going to get any run, and almost anyone in his spot wouldn't get any run, either. He's like Kaun or Joe Harris in terms of on-court usefulness, especially as Jones keeps aging.

But the guy is like Yoda. He's extremely intelligent and I personally think he is one of the most elite "locker room" guys in the league.

At least for now, I'm happy to have him back for as long as he wants to come back. The Love testimonial pretty much says it all in my book.
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James Jones is literally what Yoda was in the original Star Wars trilogy. Completely useless in battle, however, absolutely necessary for us to win the war.
 
LeShaq said:
He's like Kaun or Joe Harris in terms of on-court usefulness, especially as Jones keeps aging.
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Disagree ever so slightly. Jones can still light it up when he gets hot; didn't he drop 14 straight points on Orlando this past year?

He can still score more in 1 game than those two stiffs scored in their entire Cavs' tenures.
 
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Someone had to bring this thread up. James Jones was huge in turning the momentum over to us. When an 80 year old comes cold off the bench, knocks down a 3 and gets a block, you're going to have to come back and win.
 
Champ is born ready, man.

He can't play major mins but those 3-4 mins he plays once in a month, he is fucking legit.

People say why we wasting a place on bench on him but he is the perfect player to have in your roster. You don't need 15 guys who can play regularly. Some vets with good leadership are a must. Champ provides that and also the fact that if you can create a shot for him, he will hit it. Love him.
 
He's not the rim protector we wanted but he's the rim protector we need.
 
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