Wade and Bosh weren't even close to "all-stars" in this series; their veteran role players were atrocious; the "greatest 3 pt shooter of all time" was 38 in this series.
That matters why, exactly? Ray Allen has been a role player since he signed that contract, and IIRC, both Wade and Bosh were All-Stars this year. Not sure what point you're trying to make other than that they way underperformed, which I never said they didn't.
This was an abysmal supporting cast, one of the worst teams to ever make it to the Finals.
You're absolutely right. This supporting cast was so incredibly terrible that they made the Finals for the last four years running, and won the whole thing the last two leading up to this year.
LeBron deserves ZERO blame for losing to one of the greatest teams in the NBA history while he was flanked by one of the worst supporting casts a title team's best player has had.
Please pick out in my post where I said he deserves any blame. You can even go back further in this thread if you wish, where you will see that I pointed out just how shitty his team was playing in Game 5 by the half.
And yes, go ahead and parade around that 2-3 in the Finals stat.
Will do. Jordan never lost in the Finals. Jordan didn't leave to form the Super Friends of South Beach, either.
Surely, that stat couldn't possibly be skewed incredibly, right? It's not like a myriad of factors go into a championship run that are out of a player's control, right? I mean, Jordan would have won his 6 rings NO MATTER WHAT, right? It's not like we have half a decade's worth of playoff defeats that very clearly show he couldn't do it by himself, right? Lol.
You're absolutely right. I mean, he only beat the likes of Barkley, Stockton, Malone, Worthy, Magic, and Drexler in the Finals. And hey, it's not like he had to get past the Bad Boys and the very good Cavaliers teams of the 90s, among others, to get there in the first place.
But to your specific points... first of all, mentioning the weak Eastern Conference means absolutely nothing; he's gone to the Finals all four years. Not sure what you were proving with that one.
See above.
Second, three of the top ten players is disingenuous at best. And I know that you know you're full of shit with that, as there's simply no possible way you could have watched Wade and Bosh this series and proclaimed them both top ten players. Wade isn't even top 30 right now, perhaps not even top 50. It's so weird how people keep trying to say LeBron had a solid supporting cast by citing his teammates' achievements from 5-10 years ago.
Which is it? 5-10 years ago or since they formed up, since you yourself cited the fact that they've made the Finals with essentially the same roster the last four years?
Yeah, 2009 Wade and 2009 Bosh would have made this Finals loss inexcusable for LeBron. Add 2007 Ray Allen, and it's even worse. But, obviously this is 2014, and they aren't even close to who they once were.
:chuckles:
What, did the Monstars suddenly siphon out their talent for basketball before the series began? Or was I watching a different Miami Heat team that anally wrecked the Eastern Conference as they made their fourth consecutive Finals trip?
LeBron had virtually no help... it's just that simple.
Not arguing that point at all, once again. His team flat out sucked in this series. But I think you've clearly misunderstood my post from before.
It doesn't happen without help, and to use this past series to criticize LeBron when there are literally decades of evidence saying it's not his fault reeks of bias.
Ya know, except for the part where I prefaced my statement by saying
I DON'T HAVE THE PURE HATRED FOR LEBRON THAT OTHER PEOPLE IN THIS THREAD DO.
Just so you wouldn't miss it again, I went ahead and made it a bit more noticeable.
I'm not even saying he's not a good player. Dude's won back-to-back titles, that sure as hell counts for something, and he's been to the Finals four consecutive years and five times in his career. Not too many players can say that, shady circumstances aside.
I don't hold the same childish grudge that some of these other people do. I couldn't care less. But to even mention the guy in the same breath as Jordan, one of the greatest champions and most iconic figures in North American professional sports history, is hilarious to me, and to be quite frank I wish it was a comparison that would just die already.
On the road to topping Jordan... :chuckles: Get the fuck up outta here with that shit.
Peace.
