The 2023-2024 Off-Season Thread

[JJ_PR]

We got bounced in the first round because we simply had no depth or spacing. Those two things have been addressed this off-season. No more needs to be said really.

 

[Nphan]

Brown is a very good player (a little undersized at SF). I'd be reluctant to trade Mitchell for him on an expiring contract. He has zero incentive to sign an extension or make a commitment to the team trading for him while he's still supermax eligible.

More importantly, we traded a half a decade's worth of first round picks for Mitchell. Garland and Mobley aren't going anywhere as a result as they're the insurance policy that prevents the Jazz from building a super team with our picks. Also, having Mitchell and/or Brown run an offense full time has been tried. You need an actual PG.

I think it's easier to find a PG than an SF. Plus Rubio is still here and the Blazers already tried the 2 guard superstar thing and it didn't work. I'll take an Elite SG and elite 2 way SF + Mobley any day over 2 guard lineup. If Mitchell don't work as full-time PS, move him back to SG and get a vet PG.

 

[Nphan]

It's really not, and shouldn't be.


Funny you mention Garnett. He played 20 seasons in the NBA. Only 4 of those seasons (2000-01 52%; 2011-12 87%; 2012-13 95%; 2013-14 70%) did he spent more than 38% of his time on the court as a center. Evan Mobley has a VAST majority of his skillset, not to mention his body, wasted as a C. On defense, his ability to defend on the perimeter, and as a help defender, is gone as a C. On offense, his movement is wasted.

Also, Mitchell Robinson, Hartenstein, Zubac, Brook Lopez, etc all have bullied Mobley. Not to mention every drive to the rim would put him in actions. Putting him there, especially with the matadors on the perimeter, is like strapping Goldberg to the goal and having the team shoot pucks at him. No thanks.

The thing about a Big 3 of Mitchell, Brown, and Mobley, we don't have to keep Mobley at center full time. He can play C when against a weak C and PF when Cavs are playing a good C. Allen will still be on the team. Basically I think that big 3 is more flexible and will take the Cavs far compared to the small guards of Garland and Mitchell with Mobley.

 

[chuck0609]

We got bounced in the first round because we simply had no depth or spacing. Those two things have been addressed this off-season. No more needs to be said really.

You’re conveniently omitting being bitch slapped too.
But I agree with the rest.

 

[foucault87]

They trade their 23 year old PG for a top 5 2-way SF. Brown is a much better player than Garland and would make up the big 3 of Mitchell, Brown and Mobley. Allen is backup center. Forgot to include him.

Lets start with the fact your firsst premise is completely wrong. Brown is not a better player than Garland, let alone a much better player. DG is younger. He has a better contract. Brown is a bit of a headcase, DG is a great teammate and locker room guy. This would be a horrible trade and if Altman does this, I am sure there are several board members happy to help him pack up his office

In what world is Allen a backup? Dude is a year off of an all-star selection and still a top 7 C in the league. This is a pretty bad take with a really flawed understanding of basketball

 

[inliner311]

We got bounced in the first round because we simply had no depth or spacing. Those two things have been addressed this off-season. No more needs to be said really.

I think we still need another big. I'm not sure Damian Jones is on the level that JBB will automatically just play him. We really need a 3rd big they JBB will carve out a role for so they are definitely in the rotation.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

I think we still need another big. I'm not sure Damian Jones is on the level that JBB will automatically just play him. We really need a 3rd big they JBB will carve out a role for so they are definitely in the rotation.

Keep an eye on Diop in the summer league. You never know.

 

[CavsKermit]

I think it's easier to find a PG than an SF. Plus Rubio is still here and the Blazers already tried the 2 guard superstar thing and it didn't work. I'll take an Elite SG and elite 2 way SF + Mobley any day over 2 guard lineup. If Mitchell don't work as full-time PS, move him back to SG and get a vet PG.

Rubio was barely playable last season and if his knee still isn't right this season, he'll be a lot closer to retiring than starting.

It's harder to find a true PG, especially one who can shoot, in the modern NBA than you're imagining. The reason the Celtics kept ending up as a bridesmaid is because they had Smart as a PG. LeMelo and Haliburton both just got max extensions for a reason.

Trading Garland while Mobley is still developing and on a rookie contract would be a serious mistake. Big men need good PG play, not just passable PG play, in order to thrive. Having Sexton as the primary ball handler destroyed Love's trade value, and if that had been an old school big like Boogie Cousins, I have zero doubt that Sexton would've gotten tuned up in the locker room.

But really, unless or until Mitchell extends, it's not worth discussing because the Cavs aren't going to trade Garland.

 

[adam81king]

That’s all true however with the way the NBA has evolved you arnt winning championships with a PF that can’t shoot, what happens is what happened to us against the Knicks where you struggled to score over 95 points in playoffs game.

The only solution is if we get a center that can shoot to pair with him.

Aaron Gordon just won a ring...

Draymond won the year before that...

Giannis the year before...

 

[BigZ94]

Aaron Gordon just won a ring...

Draymond won the year before that...

Giannis the year before...

Aaron Gordan shoots 35% from 3, Draymond is also a much better shooter then Mobley. Giannis plays with a Center that can shoot. Don’t really understand how that’s an argument against my last post?

 

[CavsKermit]

Thibs builds his team around tough nosed front courts. Toppin just doesn't fit the bill. I bet they try to pey somebody like Tobias Harris loose so that his entire front court rotation is an advantage on both ends of the court.

I feel like Toppin gave their frontcourt versatility that they lack now. He was a passable defender and rebounder whose 3 point shooting came on last season. But the Knicks, like the Cavs, weren't a great three point shooting team that struggled with spacing.

 

[ice cream man]

We got bounced in the first round because we simply had no depth or spacing. Those two things have been addressed this off-season. No more needs to be said really.

Rebounding was a huge problem. Theoretically if we shoot better then that will naturally narrow the rebounding gap if we play the Knicks again.

The Knicks have defenders all over the court. We don’t. With our new roster we have to place a bigger emphasis on offense (and hopefully speed it up) to be better.

 

[inliner311]

Having Sexton as the primary ball handler destroyed Love's trade value, and if that had been an old school big like Boogie Cousins, I have zero doubt that Sexton would've gotten tuned up in the locker room.

Kevin Love's trade value gets destroyed because he played only 22 games in 2018-2019 season and when he did play he had a horrible demeanor on the court. It's not just that he wasn't healthy but the questions of why he was sitting out were never answered. He plays more games the next season and kind of rebuilds some of his value but not enough to make teams want him then he only plays 25 games in 2020-2021 again.

Health is the biggest reason why Loves value was destroyed.

 

[Nphan]

Lets start with the fact your firsst premise is completely wrong. Brown is not a better player than Garland, let alone a much better player. DG is younger. He has a better contract. Brown is a bit of a headcase, DG is a great teammate and locker room guy. This would be a horrible trade and if Altman does this, I am sure there are several board members happy to help him pack up his office

In what world is Allen a backup? Dude is a year off of an all-star selection and still a top 7 C in the league. This is a pretty bad take with a really flawed understanding of basketball

The duel of Brown and Tatum brought the Celtics nearly to the finals while Mitchell and Garland got bounced in the first round. An elite 2 way SF will always be more valuable in this league than a small PG who can't play defense but can shoot 3s except Curry who is the greatest shooter of all time and a top 3 PG all-time. Look at history.

Garland is a good young PG but in what would is he even close to Brown who can score and has been deep in the playoffs as the 2ns option the past few years? Brown can score and play elite defense. A lineup of Mitchell and Brown would be the best since LeBron and Kyrie for this team. Don't know why people overrated small PGs and undersell an elite 2 way SF like Brown. Garland is definitely cheaper but signing Brown to a big contract and having a core of Mitchell, Brown and Mobley has a much higher ceiling than a Garland, Mitchell and Mobley lineup.

 

[cavsfever]

Ty Jerome has a weird pattern where every other year he shoots under 30% from 3, then shoots close to 40% the next year. Hopefully that’s just a statistical fluke and his true talent is the 39% mark we saw last year