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[Randolphkeys]

He's a terrible defensive coordinator who also happens to wear Super Bowl ring that he won with his horrible schemes.

He isn't the type to change his scheme to personnel with a great amount of success. He had bad corners last year and went with the Angel Safety while still blitzing. That said, there are a few years he had the right talent and it worked. The Rams defense was great with his guidance but lost because the offense was stuck in the early 1980s. Some people don't like Gregggg specifically because of last season, and the rest is just histrionics.

 

[CBBI]

He's a terrible defensive coordinator who also happens to wear Super Bowl ring that he won with his horrible schemes.

Yeah totally.

Romeo Crennel’s defensive schemes won three super bowl rings too!

 

[AZ_]

He's a terrible defensive coordinator who also happens to wear Super Bowl ring that he won with his horrible schemes.

You may not want to look at the rankings for that defense.

I did, it’s not great. It was good enough that season though.

 

[col63onel]

He's a terrible defensive coordinator who also happens to wear Super Bowl ring that he won with his horrible schemes.

So does Longabardi

 

[Cavsfan1985]

I don't agree Williams has been a "terrible" defensive coordinator throughout his career.

As for being a head coach....Williams had one two-year stint in 2001-2003, when he was 43-45 years old. He has had 15 years of coaching under various guys in the interim. It is entirely possible he has grown/matured/learned a lot about being a head coach since then.

Despite that possibility, I would never have taken a chance on hiring him off the street on the off chance he may have improved as a head coach. At the same time, if he demonstrates during these 8 games that he has developed to the point where he is coaching well as an HC, and the players are responding positively to him, he should be at least considered.

I agree with this. I think there is some value if you can have a HC who can come in have respect of the players and run a tight ship and allow the coordinators to do their jobs. It has been 2 games, so not enough of sample size yet, but in those games, we had a clear game-plan, the team played very discipline. We looked like a real NFL team. Maybe it is a fluke, but if we finish out the year strong and Dorsey does not think we can get any of the big names why not look at Greg.

The 6 games of the season:
- 4 road games
- 4 games against teams over 500 and in the playoff hunt.
- 2 games not against playoff teams are on the road at Denver and Baltimore.

If we are able to come out of this stretch at 3-3 or better, I think that would be because of Greg and Kitchens.

 

[CBBI]

If we are able to come out of this stretch at 3-3 or better, I think that would be because of Greg and Kitchens.

And if I was Dorsey would shake both of their hands, tell them they did a good job under difficult circumstances and still hire someone else.

 

[Kbiz]

So this Chubb guy....he's looking pretty good, eh?

 

[Lee]

So this Chubb guy....he's looking pretty good, eh?

Stop that, we are not talking about Chubb in this thread, clearly this is now the Greg Williams thread.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I know there's been a lot of discussion about how Chubb compares to other high-end RB prospects, so I think this would be a good time to remind people that, during/after his freshman year, there were legitimate questions as to whether or not he was a better prospect than Todd Gurley.

They went to the same school, so the level of competition should be mostly identical, but here are their freshman year stats:

Gurley - 222 carries for 1385 yards (6.2 YPC) and 17 touchdowns; 16 receptions for 117 yards and 0 touchdowns
Chubb - 219 carries for 1547 yards (7.1 YPC) and 14 touchdowns; 18 receptions for 213 yards and 2 touchdowns

Some articles from Chubb's freshman year:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-is-not-the-next-todd-gurley-he-may-be-better
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/g...b-factor-georgia-secret-weapon-better-gurley/

Long story short, Chubb probably would have been a first-rounder, and maybe even top ten, had he not suffered that catastrophic injury his sophomore year. This is not meant to say that he's better than Gurley, but merely that he was on par with Gurley as a prospect before the injury.

 

[dark2332]

I know there's been a lot of discussion about how Chubb compares to other high-end RB prospects, so I think this would be a good time to remind people that, during/after his freshman year, there were legitimate questions as to whether or not he was a better prospect than Todd Gurley.

They went to the same school, so the level of competition should be mostly identical, but here are their freshman year stats:

Gurley - 222 carries for 1385 yards (6.2 YPC) and 17 touchdowns; 16 receptions for 117 yards and 0 touchdowns
Chubb - 219 carries for 1547 yards (7.1 YPC) and 14 touchdowns; 18 receptions for 213 yards and 2 touchdowns

Some articles from that year:
https://bleacherreport.com/articles...-is-not-the-next-todd-gurley-he-may-be-better
https://www.saturdaydownsouth.com/g...b-factor-georgia-secret-weapon-better-gurley/

Long story short, Chubb probably would have been a first-rounder, and maybe even top ten, had he not suffered that catastrophic injury his sophomore year. This is not meant to say that he's better than Gurley, but merely that he was on par with Gurley as a prospect before the injury.

He'd have gone pro in 2017 following his junior season had he not been injured.

So the real question is, how does he compare to Leonard Fournette?

Fournette as a freshman, 13 games:

187 carries for 1034 yards (5.5 YPC) and 10 touchdowns; 7 catches for 127 yards and 0 touchdowns

 

[Lee]

I think the biggest issue being discussed is the value of a running back in the first.

I do agree that Chubb is an early first with no knee injury, but I would not draft any rb in the early first, just not a value pick anymore. At this point, after QB, I would go DE, C, hybrid blitz LB and then DT before any offensive position. And to me the highest offensive position to draft after qb is LT.

Its just a different world today. Even WR becomes hard to draft way early because of the huge bust potential and really its all about the QB when receivers are concerned.

 

[Jack Brickman]

He'd have gone pro in 2017 following his junior season had he not been injured.

So the real question is, how does he compare to Leonard Fournette?

I think he would have been a slightly better prospect than Fournette without the knee injury. He was undoubtedly better their freshman year, which was 2014 for both of them. We got lucky that he ended up falling due to the injury.

I'd say they are pretty comparable as athletes. Similar size (both big, powerful backs) and athleticism, with virtually identical forty times and very close in size/speed scores, where Fournette has the slight edge.

 

[Lee]

He'd have gone pro in 2017 following his junior season had he not been injured.

So the real question is, how does he compare to Leonard Fournette?

Gurley was the same school, that is the point, but Fournette playing in the same league can also be a valid comparison.

Fournette had an ok rookie year, I was expecting him to be better, but the OL makes running back play, ask Emit Smith, lol

 

[Lee]

So the best random stupid Chubb stat I just discovered while trying to compare him to other backs with only 94 rushing attempts so far is that Chubb is basically tied with two Alfreds in rushing attempts in both Alfred Blue and Alfred Morris.

What are the chances Chubb is tied with 2 people named Alfred much less the nfl having two running backs named Alfred, lol

 

[dark2332]

I think he would have been a slightly better prospect than Fournette without the knee injury. He was undoubtedly better their freshman year, which was 2014 for both of them. We got lucky that he ended up falling due to the injury.

I'd say they are pretty comparable as athletes. Similar size (both big, powerful backs) and athleticism, with virtually identical forty times and very close in size/speed scores, where Fournette has the slight edge.

I agree, I posted something similar a few days ago about redoing the 2017 draft to show how big of a steal Nick Chubb may have been in the 2018 draft due to his injury.

In 2017, Fournette went 4th overall and McCaffrey went 8th.

I think Chubb, given his trajectory pre-injury, was a top 10 pick for sure.