The Chubb-Hub Yardage Delivery Service

[Jack Brickman]

To boot, we have a minimum we have to spend anyways, so it isn't even costing Haslam any actual dollars, necessarily.

I can get the argument that since teams aren't allowed to trade cash for a pick, it circumvents the CBA in spirit. And maybe they should create a rule that makes this type of trade harder. But it was legal, and was an obvious benefit for the Browns.

Yeah, but who gives a shit if it circumvents the CBA in spirit? It doesn't in practice, and that's all that matters. I don't think the Browns exploited a loophole. I think they wisely took a page from the NBA's book and ate a bad contract for a pick, as bad teams with tons of cap space should have been doing in the NFL for years.

 

[Randolphkeys]

Reminder that we got him for taking on 1 year of Brock Osweiler's contract. And a ton analysts thought we were stupid for doing so.

The mistake wasn't taking on Osweiler's contract, the mistake was failing to also sign a mentor/short term QB who could actually play on the field. Jimmy Haslam wanted to end the tank, and penciling in Osweiler to start was just the tankiest.

 

[natedagg]

I'll never understand why anyone would criticize a team with a mountain of cap space for taking on a bad short-term deal to get a pick. It's not like any of us gives a shit if Haslam burns ten to fifteen million dollars. It's not our money. Plus, again, it's not like we weren't able to pretty immediately get out of the deal a year later. It's not some anchor weighing us down for years.

This just smells like a total moneyball transaction and I wouldn’t expect the average fan, who doesn’t analyze cap space economics, to understand it.

 

[The Wizard of Moz]

I'll never understand why anyone would criticize a team with a mountain of cap space for taking on a bad short-term deal to get a pick. It's not like any of us gives a shit if Haslam burns ten to fifteen million dollars. It's not our money. Plus, again, it's not like we weren't able to pretty immediately get out of the deal a year later. It's not some anchor weighing us down for years.

It was something that isn’t done in football and the Browns were the first to do it so people auto defaulted to the response “Hurr Durr Browns gonna Brown”

A lot of people honed in on Osweiler sucking as if the Browns were the ones who gave up the pick

I think it was foreign enough that most people didn’t put the minimum 45 seconds of thought required to see what the trade was actually about

Also we got so damn lucky Watson got hurt in practice last year. We had so much riding on Houston sucking and we finally got some good luck

 

[tristan+kyrie=$]

It was something that isn’t done in football and the Browns were the first to do it so people auto defaulted to the response “Hurr Durr Browns gonna Brown”

A lot of people honed in on Osweiler sucking as if the Browns were the ones who gave up the pick

I think it was foreign enough that most people didn’t put the minimum 45 seconds of thought required to see what the trade was actually about

Also we got so damn lucky Watson got hurt in practice last year. We had so much riding on Houston sucking and we finally got some good luck

Got us a perennial all pro corner talent

 

[The Voice]

That’s the first and last time the browns will do a trade like that now. We got a football guy in here to run the show. They’re set in their ways and from the good ole boys club. Wish we’d continue to exploit this.

 

[Jack Brickman]

That’s the first and last time the browns will do a trade like that now. We got a football guy in here to run the show. They’re set in their ways and from the good ole boys club. Wish we’d continue to exploit this.

I mean, most of our picks were guys that analytics looked on favorably and as far as I know DePodesta is still working for the organization in that regard.

Hell, our first overall pick was the analytics darling of this draft class, and we drafted him over bigger, more prototypical QBs like Darnold and Rosen.

That said, I don't expect us to be making those types of moves in the near future because now is the time to go all-in trying to win while Mayfield still has a bunch of years left on his rookie deal and that's the type of deal you make when your team is bad and has a ton of cap space.

 

[Jordan]

I mean, most of our picks were guys that analytics looked on favorably and as far as I know DePodesta is still working for the organization in that regard.

Hell, our first overall pick was the analytics darling of this draft class, and we drafted him over bigger, more prototypical QBs like Darnold and Rosen.

That said, I don't expect us to be making those types of moves in the near future because now is the time to go all-in trying to win while Mayfield still has a bunch of years left on his rookie deal and that's the type of deal you make when your team is bad and has a ton of cap space.

From what I can tell, analytics is still heavily involved in player selection, but less important for overall strategy.

I.E., trading down to get more picks, play selection, who starts/sits, etc. will not be influenced to a noticeable degree by analytics. But when we are looking at available players in trades, free agency, and the draft, analytics still play an important role.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

Chubb is the truth...

 

[Cavsfan1985]

It is crazy how good this guy looks. If we would have had a competent Coach the first half of the year he would be on pace for 1000+ yards. Even thought we got killed yesterday i thought the play-calling and running of Chubb was amazing. Excited to see what he will do when we dont have to give up on the run being down a ton of scores.

 

[Jordan]

Chubb is the truth...

He has to learn how to pass block, though. It makes the offense predictable. If Chubb can pass block, then all of the sudden teams cannot feel so comfortable blitzing Baker, and our run game will get even better.

But yeah, Chubb looks like a top-30 runningback right now, and he has clear read where he can improve. I would not be surprised if he reaches a pro-bowl or two during his career.

 

[Sir'Dom Pointer]

He has to learn how to pass block, though. It makes the offense predictable. If Chubb can pass block, then all of the sudden teams cannot feel so comfortable blitzing Baker, and our run game will get even better.

But yeah, Chubb looks like a top-30 runningback right now, and he has clear read where he can improve. I would not be surprised if he reaches a pro-bowl or two during his career.

I hope it will come with better offensive calling as well. I have noticed that compared to most teams the Browns just don't block that much on offense (???) that really puts a ton of pressure on Baker and really limits his ceiling as a passer because it makes him rush his passes as well as limit his passing to generally short passes (???). There is just no one to pass it to and none of this is Baker's fault.

I haven't had the time to really study the game yet, so I apologise for being so basic!

 

[Jordan]

I hope it will come with better offensive calling as well. I have noticed that compared to most teams the Browns just don't block that much on offense (???) that really puts a ton of pressure on Baker and really limits his ceiling as a passer because it makes him rush his passes as well as limit his passing to generally short passes (???). There is just no one to pass it to and none of this is Baker's fault.

I haven't had the time to really study the game yet, so I apologise for being so basic!

No, you're 100% correct, do not apologize!

The playcalling was, generally, better yesterday than it has been this season. The Browns are faced with a problem, which is that they have between 0-1 receivers who can create space via their athleticism. Consequently, the way to beat another team's defense is to have a lot of potential receivers running quick routes.

The problem, though, is that when you do that you are left with less blockers. Yesterday they ran a few more two Tight End sets, and also a few plays where Jarvis Landry, Perriman, or Higgins were essentially distractions and then acted as blockers. This creates confusion for the defense and adds a little bit of unpredictability (see last year's Eagles team).

The Browns need to continue with this sort of playcalling and find a receiver that can create space via their strength and speed. If that happens, and Chubb learns how to pass block, the offense will take the next step.

 

[dark2332]

He has to learn how to pass block, though. It makes the offense predictable. If Chubb can pass block, then all of the sudden teams cannot feel so comfortable blitzing Baker, and our run game will get even better.

But yeah, Chubb looks like a top-30 runningback right now, and he has clear read where he can improve. I would not be surprised if he reaches a pro-bowl or two during his career.

Top 30... meaning? In the NFL? Or in History?

 

[Jordan]

Top 30... meaning? In the NFL? Or in History?

NFL, haha