The General Terrorist Rampage Thread

[MediumBaller]

You really need to slow yourself down and think about what you're typing.

You're diverting from the point you just made, because obviously I didn't say what you accused me of.

Now you're shifting the argument to Islam..

Just take a deep breath. I'm not going to dive head first into an argument with you on Islam, but your comparison from yesterday remains asinine and the answer has been discussed many times in this thread.

Nazis associate themselves with nazism. You say they represent the ideology they associate themselves with. Islamic terrorists associate themselves with Islam. You can't just say "well they aren't real Muslims." They consider themselves to be representative of Islam. It's the religion they associate themselves with, so under your rules their terrorists attacks represent Islam.

 

[gourimoko]

Yeah, you tell him what he means!!!!!!!!!!

Ty, that's exactly what you're doing.... You're not MediumBaller, and yet, you're telling me what he means...

 

[gourimoko]

Islamic terrorists associate themselves with Islam.

Islamic terrorists associate themselves with Islamism.

The -ism here is important. Islamism is not Islam.

I get that's confusing to many folks because the words are so similar, but Islamism (Political Islam) is not a religion, it's a political ideology and a philosophy.

If you want to compare or try to draw moral equivalence between extremist Islamism and Nazism, be my guest; but doing so with respect to Nazism and Islam is downright ignorant.

 

[MediumBaller]

No, he's actually not, he specifically makes his point clear... read what he said.

Here is his quote:

"What makes them an extremist? Are they an extremist before they commit an act of terrorism or once they do? Every Islamic terrorist is not associated with Isis or another terrorist group. "

They are, however,all associated with Islam.
Islam is the ideology that leads to them becoming radicalized.
They say that they are killing in the name of Islam.

Islam is the ideology they associate themselves with ...
just like Nazis associate themselves with Nazism.

I'm not making any argument about my own beliefs. I don't think they represent Islam. I'm simply showing yet another example of moving goalposts and changing standards when it doesn't fit the narrative.

 

[AZ_]

Nazis associate themselves with nazism. You say they represent the ideology they associate themselves with. Islamic terrorists associate themselves with Islam. You can't just say "well they aren't real Muslims." They consider themselves to be representative of Islam. It's the religion they associate themselves with, so under your rules their terrorists attacks represent Islam.

And you continue to shift the argument based on your false accusations that I said something I didn't.

Going to take a time out from responding to you for a bit.

It's obvious you're not actually able to comprehend another argument at this point.

 

[AZ_]

I'm not making any argument about my own beliefs. I don't think they represent Islam. I'm simply showing yet another example of moving goalposts and changing standards when it doesn't fit the narrative.

You don't even believe they represent Islam?!

Come on, man...

 

[The Oi]

Why are you guys talking about this?

 

[TyGuy]

Ty, that's exactly what you're doing.... You're not MediumBaller, and yet, you're telling me what he means...

I haven't been called into question to misrepresent someones views in order to serve my own agenda to infer that someone is a racist or bigot. It's pretty easy to follow, so why don't we wait for him to clarify? Is it really harder to believe that my interpretation of what he said is more rational? Which scenario sounds like it's jumping to an extreme conclusion? Mine, or yours?

 

[MediumBaller]

Islamic terrorists associate themselves with Islamism.

The -ism here is important. Islamism is not Islam.

I get that's confusing to many folks because the words are so similar, but Islamism (Political Islam) is not a religion, it's a political ideology and a philosophy.

If you want to compare or try to draw moral equivalence between extremist Islamism and Nazism, be my guest; but doing so with respect to Nazism and Islam is downright ignorant.

What's the difference between Islamism and Islam? Do they both draw their beliefs from the Quran?

If it helps I'm genuinely asking, not trying to be snarky.

 

[David.]

Islamic terrorists associate themselves with Islamism.

The -ism here is important. Islamism is not Islam.

I get that's confusing to many folks because the words are so similar, but Islamism (Political Islam) is not a religion, it's a political ideology and a philosophy.

If you want to compare or try to draw moral equivalence between extremist Islamism and Nazism, be my guest; but doing so with respect to Nazism and Islam is downright ignorant.

PPolitical Islam is worth being worried about right? Not the rest?

 

[MediumBaller]

You don't even believe they represent Islam?!

Come on, man...

Um, no? I've made it clear that I don't think Muslim terrorists represent Islam.

 

[gourimoko]

I'm not making any argument about my own beliefs. I don't think they represent Islam. I'm simply showing yet another example of moving goalposts and changing standards when it doesn't fit the narrative.

But no one is moving goalposts.

ISIS is totally fucking responsible for the acts of terrorism around the world, not simply lone terrorist actors. Just as the Nazis were at the rally you're still defending (this isn't about antifa, did you notice that?).

The only reason that isn't apparent to you, is because it seems you're trying to compare Islam, i.e., the faith of 1.6 billion Muslims on Earth to fucking Nazism.... Which isn't anyone but you moving the goalposts, since no one said "White People" or "Christians" were responsible for Charlottesville -- just Nazis and White Supremacists.

 

[gourimoko]

PPolitical Islam is worth being worried about right? Not the rest?

Yes, Extremist forms of Islamism are a huge problem... Islamism, in a general sense, is still something I'd oppose but not go to war over...

There is a spectrum here of not-good to fucking terrible where you could have an Islamist government that was comparable to some nations where restrictions on freedoms were moderate, and others where there are simply nonstop human rights violations, deaths, imprisonments, etc..

 

[The Oi]

ISIS is totally fucking responsible for the acts of terrorism around the world

Yes, Islamism is a huge problem...

You're going to need to put these in your signature before they forget you posted it. They'll demand you defend them again in two hours.

 

[Jack Brickman]

I honestly do not remember a single post all weekend that attributed this march to Republicans. It's been very openly anti-Nazi/Supremecist/Nationalist with a sprinkle of Trump's statement fucking sucked. This hasn't been blamed on republicans, it's been blamed on those who should be.

Ironically, many Republican politicians have been the ones coming out and denouncing Trump and his statements on Charlottesville, along with the white nationalist movement in general, so this is clearly not a case of blaming the right. I applaud all the Republican politicians who stood up to Trump on this issue. I'm sure many others here do as well.