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The Jarvis Landry Thread: Bless 'Em

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CBBI said:
Yes. They 100% should.

If the Browns could realistically acquire Antonio Brown in a trade (they can't for a variety of reasons), it would be completely and utterly foolish not to.
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Disagree with you there if you're going to sell the farm you go for someone like Odell Beckham jr. Doesn't carry as much alleged baggage as Antonio Brown
 
The Human Q-Tip said:
This season, he was 13th in the AFC in yards/game, and had more yards/reception than any of the top 30 receivers (by total yards) in the AFC. 18 yards/catch. Based purely on his production rather than his intangibles, he should be in high demand.
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If you're going to use extreme outlier examples, then you're really wasting everyone's time.

You mentioned Antonio Brown earlier. I will gladly RCF donation bet you that despite him literally trying to asshole his way out of Pittsburgh that someone ends up giving up a 1st round pick to trade for him.
 
Dawg4L said:
Disagree with you there if you're going to sell the farm you go for someone like Odell Beckham jr. Doesn't carry as much alleged baggage as Antonio Brown
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Huber. said:
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Wrong choice of words there haha. Was trying to correct it when you quoted me.

Should have said AB more of a diva. The other positive for getting O.B.J. is it brings a good friend of Jarvis Landry into the fold and could help these young WRs and give Baker one hell of an option
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
If you think Leadership and Intangibles are all that matter, its not worth arguing. You'll end up with a team of Tim Tebow's and Courtney Brown's.
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Yes, because "leadership and intangibles are all that matter" is a fair characterization of the point I made.

GTFO.
 
What if we allocate his $15.5 million 2018 salary like so:

$3.5 million base salary - good value for his down year of production
$1.5 million signing bonus - change how the Browns are perceived by free agents
$10.5 million roster bonus - be the veteran team leader when we had none

His 2019 base salary is $12.5 million - I'll wait until next season to bust his chops.

Does any of this make sense? Nope. It's all rationalization for a subpar season that will hopefully improve next year.
 
Dawg4L said:
Wrong choice of words there haha. Was trying to correct it when you quoted me.

Should have said AB more of a diva. The other positive for getting O.B.J. is it brings a good friend of Jarvis Landry into the fold and could help these young WRs and give Baker one hell of an option
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Landry is as good as gone after this year in this scenario (and most likely even they don't find a replacement) so them being friends has little meaning. It saves the Browns over 36 million for his remaining three years for a #2 WR so keeping them both isn't justifiable.
 
CBBI said:
Even if all of the things you mentioned were as true and impactful as you think (which is debatable at best, dramatically overstated at worst), is it still worth paying a guy like a top 7 NFL WR?
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For a lot of teams? No

For the Browns and where they stood last offseason culturally and where they still stand financially? And even more than that, with regards to our league-wide perception? Sure...I mean, again, it doesn't really matter right now.

When the Browns find themselves in the position where we need to start making personnel decisions based on financial/salary cap implications, this discussion starts to matter far more. But with Jarvis' current deal, we can pretty easily cut bait with him once that time comes if it is in the team's best interest.

Don't get me wrong, I want Jarvis to get back to his career averages next season. Ideally surpass his career averages because he's never been terribly efficient. Who doesn't always want players to perform better?

But I'm not going to waste my energy complaining about how much a guy gets paid until you show me how his contract is limiting our ability to improve the team.
 
Amherstcavsfan said:
I suppose you can make the logical extreme but I cant?
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Depends on what the other person says, doesn't it? Here's the specific comments to which I was responding when I mentioned Josh Gordon:

CBBI said:
At the end of the day I'm firmly on the production > intangibles train 10 times out of 10.
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If someone is going to make an absolutist statement, then it's perfectly fair to use an extreme example to prove them wrong. I actually added a second one as well -- Antonio Brown -- and @CBBI jumped right on that and said "sure".

I've never said anything close to "I'll take intangibles over production 10 times out of 10", or even "intangibles are more important then production". My whole point is that part of what Landry contributes are experience and a positive veteran presence, and that probably helped our younger receivers improve so much as the season went on. I think it was @jking948 who pointed out a few days ago how some of the younger receivers run blocked surprisingly well also. I'd suspect that seeing the vet veing willing to stick his nose in there on some running plays probably encouraged them to do so as well.

There also was this statement:

CBBI said:
Personally? I believe "leadership and intangibles" from players who aren't QBs is dramatically overstated in importance.
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Which I also believe is fundamentally wrong. A guy like Jamal Lewis set the tone for those otherwise rather pathetic Ravens' offenses when they won their Super Bowl. Some offensive linemen do the same thing, and I see no reason why a veteran presence in the receiver room can't have a major impact as well, especially if you otherwise have a lack of experience.

Of course, I also think the value of that decreases over time -- as your other receivers mature and learn to do things the "right way", you don't need the same degree of veteran leadership, and it's not worth the extra money. But at a point in time where we had shitloads of cap space we couldn't otherwise use, and a very raw/green group of receivers, I think it was money well spent.

But I don't expect him to be here on that same contract in 2 years, nor should he be unless his production shoots up.
 
Jabrill Peppers is the Dion Waiters of The Browns. Jarvis Landry is the Tristan Thompson.
 
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