The Jimmy Haslam Thread

[Chris]

Looks like we have ourselves an old-fashioned pissing contest going on.

Wow if you thought two posts back and forth was serious internet pissing contest you havent been aroung long...

 

[MalTalm]

Mel Kiper an idiot? I mean, sure, I don't always agree with his selections, but the man would be completely out of a job if he had no idea what he was talking about.

I don't get how hard this is to grasp. Yes, I KNOW Manziel and Weeden both sucked. For the record, I myself didn't like either prospect either.

But they were first round prospects, regardless of yours, mine, and others opinions.

Joe Flacco and Aaron Rodgers were late first round picks, that happen to turn out good. We can look now in hindsight now, and clearly say Weeden and Manziel had no business being taken in the first round. Which is obvious now.

It's not like these guys being drafted in the first round came out of thin air, that's my point.

I wasn't inferring they were top overall touted prospects, but first round? Yes, that's highly touted to me. Maybe our opinion differs on what is highly touted, but if you're a projected first round pick in the NFL, that's very high. You did something to warrant that.

Johnny was the most polarizing prospect probably ever. There were a lot of varying opinions on him.

I do agree with you completely though, they need to stop taking guys they're not that interested in. I do NOT think Manziel and Weeden were QBs they were that interested in, they were the best rated guys left on the board when they were ready to draft.

Well Manziel it was questionable, some had Bridgewater higher. Weeden was the best prospect left when they were on the clock at 22. That's my entire point.

Why do they always have to draft the name with the most sizzle, or the best "supposed" prospect left?

To me, it's lazy, and their way of saying "we have no idea what we're doing, we're just picking names out of a hat".

I don't know if I'm really arguing with you, I agree with most of what you're saying. I believe a 1st round QB may still be the answer though, except I'd want the Browns to actually move on a guy... Get up to the top of the board and take a consensus 1 or 2... We missed when we tried to get RG3 (And in hindsight, that may be for the best, though he'd still be far better than what we've had), but go ahead and mortgage a draft to secure Jameis Winston or Mariotta if your scouts have those guys graded high. Simply put, if you don't have a QB high enough on your board to draft with your 1st pick (as was the case with all the QBs you named up the board) then you don't have a QB on the board you're all in on.

 

[Chris]

I don't know if I'm really arguing with you, I agree with most of what you're saying. I believe a 1st round QB may still be the answer though, except I'd want the Browns to actually move on a guy... Get up to the top of the board and take a consensus 1 or 2... We missed when we tried to get RG3 (And in hindsight, that may be for the best, though he'd still be far better than what we've had), but go ahead and mortgage a draft to secure Jameis Winston or Mariotta if your scouts have those guys graded high. Simply put, if you don't have a QB high enough on your board to draft with your 1st pick (as was the case with all the QBs you named up the board) then you don't have a QB on the board you're all in on.

Pretty much my point. Agree totally.

rg3 is good but too many injuries.

 

[godfather]

I don't know if I'm really arguing with you, I agree with most of what you're saying. I believe a 1st round QB may still be the answer though, except I'd want the Browns to actually move on a guy... Get up to the top of the board and take a consensus 1 or 2... We missed when we tried to get RG3 (And in hindsight, that may be for the best, though he'd still be far better than what we've had), but go ahead and mortgage a draft to secure Jameis Winston or Mariotta if your scouts have those guys graded high. Simply put, if you don't have a QB high enough on your board to draft with your 1st pick (as was the case with all the QBs you named up the board) then you don't have a QB on the board you're all in on.

I don't care where they draft a QB, I just think this team in the last 10 years, has yet to draft one they really like. Brady Quinn, Weeden, Manziel, and McCoy.

I think they were very uncertain on all those guys, and were just drafting them because A.) they were just the ones left, B.) they had a lot of sizzle to their name.

That's just a really stupid way to go, and there's no coincidence these guys have been busts. You can tell the way the Browns have treated these guys, their opinions weren't very high on them to begin with.

I'd be more than fine if they draft NO QB, at all, because at least they'd finally be learning and not just picking any guy, just because they need someone to play the position.

If they happen to draft some guy, we didn't see coming, I'd find that more encouraging, thinking well, maybe this is a QB they really like for a change.

 

[godfather]

I personally would mortgage the future for Winston, even though he has some serious character issues. I mean, I get it, sometimes you're just wrong on a guy. It happens.

I mean I understand, guys in the 2-4 rounds, aren't probably QBs you're all on board with necessarily. But my goodness, we treat almost all the QBs we draft like they have the plague instantly.

 

[AZ_]

I personally would mortgage the future for Winston, even though he has some serious character issues. I mean, I get it, sometimes you're just wrong on a guy. It happens.

I mean I understand, guys in the 2-4 rounds, aren't probably QBs you're all on board with necessarily. But my goodness, we treat almost all the QBs we draft like they have the plague instantly.

You went on that entire rant, and you think Jameis freaking Winston is the guy you mortgage a future for?

Jesus Christ.

 

[Chris]

If you told me Jameis had a decent possibility of being "the guy" for us, I would do everything I can to get him, crablegs be damned. I hated him in college but I can forgive him if he brings the Browns back to relevance.

 

[AZ_]

Much like Manziel, Winston is getting saved by his bad boy persona pre-draft.

People want to wrap up his negatives as "character issues," when the biggest red flags are what he's shown on the field.

It's like people learned nothing. Of course, Winston is far more talented than Manziel, which should be made abundantly clear.

 

[macbdog]

If you told me Jameis had a decent possibility of being "the guy" for us, I would do everything I can to get him, crablegs be damned. I hated him in college but I can forgive him if he brings the Browns back to relevance.

You sound like a Steelers fan.

I think it's funny that people think all this stuff with Winston is going to go away when he ends up on a bigger stage with millions at his disposal. This isn't Can Newton n his dad being paid.

 

[Soda]

Much like Manziel, Winston is getting saved by his bad boy persona pre-draft.

People want to wrap up his negatives as "character issues," when the biggest red flags are what he's shown on the field.

It's like people learned nothing. Of course, Winston is far more talented than Manziel, which should be made abundantly clear.

I don't know if you're talking about fans or the front office of the Browns. Browns front office people don't get to learn; it's either get it right now or there's the door.

 

[Chris]

You sound like a Steelers fan.

I think it's funny that people think all this stuff with Winston is going to go away when he ends up on a bigger stage with millions at his disposal. This isn't Can Newton n his dad being paid.

Don't ever call me that again.

Secondly, yeah, maybe you're right. But I don't feel right holding an "alleged" sexual assault against a guy, that he was never charged for. So basically we have him stealing crab legs (lol) and shouting "Fuck her in the pussy" in public. Stupid shit but I'd put up with it if it meant the Browns became good again. Do we have any evidence the guy is obsessed with drinking the way Johnny was/is? What's a million dollars going to do for him? Then he can buy crab legs and won't have to steal them...and he'll have better things to do than shout obscenities in public.

Sounds like a win win.

 

[AZ_]

Pretty good evidence that he's a moron who doesn't have a clue how to read a defense and rests on pure ability..

So that's good enough for me.

 

[Jack Brickman]

It's like people learned nothing.

I mean, we're Browns fans.

 

[Chris]

Pretty good evidence that he's a moron who doesn't have a clue how to read a defense and rests on pure ability..

So that's good enough for me.

Really? If thats the case then yea I dont want him .. my whole point was predicated on the assumption he was the guy. If my scouts told me he was, Id get him.

 

[godfather]

I'm not exactly sure why B00bie doesn't like him. His character issues, and maturity? Yeah, if that's the case, then he does have red flags there. I think the guy is a heck of a football player, and has all the talent and tools to be a really good QB at the next level.

I think some of his poor decisions, was a result of him having to do "too much", because FSU really wasn't that good this year. The defense was dreadful, I mean my gosh, they almost lost to my Notre Dame, really they should have, and ND was horrible.

I wanted to not like him. I was a skeptic of him. This is just my opinion, I think he can be an outstanding QB in the NFL. I like his skillset in the NFL much more than Mariota's personally.

I see zero comparisons between him and Johnny. The fact Johnny is in rehab, although troubling, isn't what brothers me the most. What bothers me the most, is that its pretty clear he can't play at this level.

I'm not saying the Browns should listen to me, I'm just a fan. I don't get to sit down, and scrutinize the players the way NFL teams do. If the Browns, or any organization is really turned off by his character, then that obviously changes things drastically.

I just don't know how anyone can write him off at a pure talent standpoint, and come away with thinking he's not capable of being a really good QB at the next level.