The Transgender Issue

[Jack Brickman]

While I am 100% on board with Transgender using the bathroom they identify with, when it comes to actual athletic competition I just dont think its fair.

Nothing anyone says or any hormone test will make me change my mind.

I would like to hear from someone who thinks its fair they compete at the Olympics with females if thney were born a male.

This is definitely the toughest issue with the transgender movement. I'm inclined to agree with you, though, particularly for transgender women competing against biological women due to the differences in male and female physique.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

You don't believe transgender people exist.

I do believe that such people exist. I just don't accept their definitions.

 

[The Oi]

I don't care one way or the other where these people use the bathroom. We're talking about an exchange where people have waste coming out of their bodies followed by them washing their hands in a room where nobody makes eye contact with maybe some awkward conversation mixed in to break the ice.

And people are fighting over if someone has a penis and wears a dress and sits down to piss they should or shouldn't be allowed to take a diarrhea in the women's restroom.

This is what people are arguing about.

Some people say the guy should have to run a few extra feet to the men's room because he was born a man and other people say because he considers himself a woman and lives as a woman, that shit should come out of his ass in a toilet inside the bathroom 20 feet closer to where he originally felt the shit needing to come out of his asshole.

Do I have this straight?

 

[-Akronite-]

I do believe that such people exist. I just don't accept their definitions.

Even though I've advocated for a rolling eyes reputation, I've also been yearning for a "disagree but fair enough" button.

 

[David.]

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Berkeley killing renews debate over gender pronouns

PAUL ELIAS
Associated PressMarch 26, 2017

This undated Department of Motor Vehicles California photo provided by the Berkeley Police Department shows Pablo Gomez Jr., a University of California, Berkeley, senior majoring in Latino studies and a prominent campus activist. Authorities said Gomez stabbed to death a popular elementary school teacher. Soon, the crime that police described as "very brutal and unusual" was sucked up into the debate over gender identity when it was reported that Gomez preferred to be called "they" rather than "he." (DMV California/Berkeley Police Dept. via AP)
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BERKELEY, Calif. (AP) — Pablo Gomez Jr. was a University of California, Berkeley, senior majoring in Latino studies and a prominent campus activist when authorities say he stabbed to death a popular elementary-school teacher.

Soon, the crime that police described as "very brutal and unusual" in a city that reported just two homicides last year was sucked up into the debate over gender identity when it was reported that Gomez preferred to be called "they" rather than "he."

Even in famously liberal Berkeley, with its long history of protest, the uproar came as a surprise, overwhelming the online news site, www.berkeleyside.com, that first reported on Gomez's preference.

"I didn't see it as something that would anger anyone," reporter Emilie Raguso said.

After Raguso's report, conservative commentator Ann Coulter ridiculed the pronoun change and mocked Gomez's activist background. Breitbart.com and other conservative political websites picked up the story.

On the university campus, where the debate over nontraditional pronouns has simmered, some students said Gomez's case is different.

"I think you give away your right to make a demand like that when you are arrested for killing somebody," said junior Jonothan Chow, a member of the College Republicans.

Representatives of UC Berkeley's Gender Equity Resource Center, where Gomez was a member, declined requests to comment on the controversy, as did other gay rights activist groups in Berkeley.

Victim Emile Inman, a 27-year-old native of France, was found in her home in January with a "We Stand with Standing Rock" sign in the front window she shared with other young roommates a few miles from campus.

Hours earlier on Jan. 6, police found Kiana Schmitt, 24, seriously injured outside an apartment just north of campus. Police have declined to say how Schmitt was connected to Gomez.


Gomez was arrested Jan. 7 at a Burbank hospital near the Southern California home of Gomez's parents. Gomez is being held in jail and is accused of killing Inman and assaulting Schmitt.

A young woman who answered the door this week at Inman's home declined to comment, and her family also has refused requests from The Associated Press and other media to comment on her death.

Gomez's attorney, George Arroyo, declined to comment and Gomez's parents did not respond to email requests for comment. Their telephone listing in Los Angeles appears disconnected.

The judge in the case ordered a mental health evaluation after Gomez was removed from a Feb. 1 court hearing to enter a plea to charges of murder, attempted murder, assault with a deadly weapon and robbery.

Deputies led a kicking and screaming Gomez from the courtroom after a brief meeting with Arroyo.

 

[Wrathe]

I'm not cis, I'm straight, I reject your labels. #ENDTHEOPPRESSION #HASHTAGSAREFUN!

Seriously though, isn't it a little weird that nobody gives a shit what straight people want to be called?

 

[The Oi]

I'm not cis, I'm straight, I reject your labels. #ENDTHEOPPRESSION #HASHTAGSAREFUN!

Seriously though, isn't it a little weird that nobody gives a shit what straight people want to be called?

I don't think most of us care?

 

[David.]

I'm not cis, I'm straight, I reject your labels. #ENDTHEOPPRESSION #HASHTAGSAREFUN!

Seriously though, isn't it a little weird that nobody gives a shit what straight people want to be called?

I think it's a viable distinction if specifically discussing trans person vs non trans person. I dont prefer it in that instance, but its only mildly irritating. I wouldnt digress to address it.

But if were suggesting to adjust the entire language in casual conversation to capitulate to an agenda for .01% that they didnt even ask for, Ill vocally take issue.

 

[Wrathe]

Even though I've advocated for a rolling eyes reputation, I've also been yearning for a "disagree but fair enough" button.

That's called the Disagree button, don't be afraid to use it man. Primarily, the only reason people should care is if it's being used abusively (excessive tagging of past posts). Other than that, it means, "I Disagree" and that it's kind of the end of the conversation for you.

I swear most people don't like it because there's nothing left to reply to and thus nothing left to argue about after someone clicks that, hehe.

 

[Wrathe]

I don't think most of us care?

Obviously I was being sarcastic about ending the oppression, just struck me as interesting that if labels and pronouns are of the utmost importance, why people are changing mine and I never got a vote.

To me, cismale is a guy who got a degree in Computers.

 

[David.]

The January 6 stabbing death of 27-year-old Emilie Inman in Berkeley, California, and the arrest of the alleged killer, 22-year-old University of California-Berkeley undergraduate Pablo Gomez, Jr., who is suspected of stabbing another young Berkeley woman although not fatally, remains shrouded in mystery. We don’t know whether Inman was acquainted with her alleged murderer or how he got into the house where she lived on Ashby Street, in one of the most boho neighborhoods in boho Berkeley. But there is one thing we do know: The Inman murder tells us everything we need to know about navy-blue California. The cast of characters alone tells the story:

The alleged killer. Gomez is a certified intersectional twofer, with double-victimological status as both a Latino and also a transgender, or at least a gender-neutral. He self-identitied on his Twitter profile as "nonbinary, pan xicanx who loves dr pepper." The first "x" in "xicanx" is because Latino activists have decided that the Spanish consonant combination "ch" in "Chicano" is colonialist. The second "x" is the gender-neutral substitute for the masculine "o" and feminine "a" in "Chicano" and "Chicana." On the UC-Berkeley campus the 5'-6'' Gomez dabbled in every stylishly progressive cause you can think of. According to his Facebook page, he was majoring in "Chicanx/Latinx studies." He was involved in the campus Queer Alliance Resource Center, and, according to news accounts, was a "senior climate action fellow" at the campus Alliance for Climate Education (which appears to have recently scrubbed all references to him from its website, although an apparently overlooked photo of him remains). He helped organize a graffiti-chalking to protest the return of a UC-Berkeley law professor who had been found in violation of the university's sexual-harassment policy. He was on the scene of a Black Lives Matter-style freeway blocking to protest the 2014 Ferguson killing. In September 2016 he was captured on video harassing UC-Berkeley's College Republicans and trying to grab what was said to be a Donald J. Trump poster. His tweet history included such statements as "The United States is a violent white supremacist empire whose only fate is annihilation." You have to wonder when he found time to study.

The oh-so politically correct news site. Reporting on the alleged homicide and related stabbing, Berkeleyside.com switched the personal pronoun with which it referred to Gomez from "he" to "they" after a friend of Gomez informed the site that they was the pronoun he preferred to use. Because respecting an alleged murderer's preferred pronoun is more important than clearly reporting who did what to whom.

The governor. That would be Jerry Brown, the Democrat at the helm of California since 2011. Gomez got his picture taken sitting on a couch with Brown, a save-the-planet promoter himself, at a 2014 "summit" on climate change in Oakland, California. Both were speakers at the summit, Gomez representing the Alliance for Climate Education. That photo, too, has been officially scrubbed, although screenshots of it abound.

The billionaire who paid some of the bills. Sharing the couch in the photo with Brown and Gomez, and in fact with his arm fraternally draped over Gomez's shoulder was Tom Steyer, now 59, a former hedge-fund manager and current philanthropist, environmental activist, and fundraiser for Hillary Clinton's failed Democratic presidential campaign. Right now Steyer is underwriting an advertising campaign against former Exxon/Mobil CEO Rex Tillerson, Trump's pick for secretary of state.

See? The murder in Berkeley really does tell you everything you need to know about the state of California.

 

[Maximus]

I have no idea what dis is, apparently neither does the spell check...too tired to look it up.

 

[David.]

I have no idea what dis is, apparently neither does the spell check...too tired to look it up.

Lol does it change cis to dis by any chance?

 

[David.]

'Cis' is latin for 'on this side of' and the antonym of the latin prefix 'trans" which is latin for "the other side of". It was first used in gender discussion in 1998.

I dont find that to be accurate if used literally.. On this side of gender? Its not good nomenclature.

Wiki goes into criticisms:

Krista Scott-Dixon wrote in 2009: "I prefer the term non-trans to other options such as cissexual/cisgendered."[31] She holds this view because she believes the term "non-trans" is clearer to average people and will help normalize transgender individuals.

Women's and Gender Studies scholar Mimi Marinucci writes that some consider the "cisgender–transgender" binary to be just as dangerous or self-defeating as the masculine–feminine gender binary, because it lumps people who identify as lesbian, gay, or bisexual (LGB) arbitrarily and over-simplistically with heteronormative class of people as opposed to with transgender people. Characterizing LGB individuals together with heterosexual, non-trans people may problematically suggest that LGB individuals, unlike transgender individuals, "experience no mismatch between their own gender identity and gender expression and cultural expectations regarding gender identity and expression".[32]

 

[The Oi]

What ALL would trans people have to be given to be made happy?