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Right but we live in a civilized society.

Costing someone their career isn't outright taking their freedom away, but it's fucking their lives up for their beliefs (and social pressure acts subjectively. So when you are arguing for it, you are arguing against yourself. It's your right you want to restrict). Time and freedom and money is fungible. It's not exactly imprisonment but it's ensuring looking for a new job or career and could cost you a fortune. Which means you are forced to work much longer than you would have otherwise. Telling a senior citizen they have to work till 68 instead of 62 maybe, because of their beliefs, doesn't seem like freedom to me.

There are plenty of people who lost their jobs because an unruly mob got it wrong. Don't. Embolden. The mobs.

Tyranny doesn't happen overnight. You are pushed incrementally, inch by inch, until you're a world away from where you initially started. That's not hyperbole, that's how people became nazis en masse. Willingly. Don't get caught up in a specific example to justify restricting your own right. Literally the country north of us is making it illegal to say anything negative about Islam, which is obviously subjective and could be used horribly, and a conversation abut Islam is one it behooves you to have.

You guys are fighting for pragmatism. That's fine, but it's parochial . I urge you to study up on the first ammendment and why some really smart guys made it literally the first ammendment. Youre either genuinely for free speech and understand why it's so important, or you're not for it and are pulling a lever for tyranny. Why on earth would you be for restricting your ability to say what you want? These guys didn't know what they communicated was so inflammatory they'd lose their livelihood. Could be you next, and you won't know it until it's too late. Defending it is just ill advised imo.

And what happens with Griffin? Her career depends on creativity. Worlds going to miss out on a lot of stuff if everyone is scared to touch subjects. Conversations will not be had. That's ensuring we don't address problems the best we possibly could. It ensures disconnect.

Obviously they have a right to fire. Your business cannot be held captive by people who refuse to stop behaving in ways that put their company at risk. Business owners rights and employees rights come to a head, otherwise they would literally allowed to say what they want, in the actual sense it was intended.

You really aren't acting much differently by advocating loss of employment because of someone's beliefs vs imprisonment. You are OK with constraining free speech and persecution of people for their beliefs. That is a subjective offense, which is why it's imperative you don't support it. You do not know when it will be used, or against you, whether it's just or not. So don't set the damned precedent. Once you start justifying it and qualifying it, you're pissing all over the principle.

Our speech is an extension of our thoughts. It's the entire basis of the ammendment. You don't restrict thought. We are free to think what we want. If you start chipping away at what we're allowed to say, you're setting precedent that we aren't really allowed to say what we want, or believe what we want. Your society will self censor out of fear of persecution.

We focused on escaping tyranny and set out to prevent it manifesting in our new country. None of what you're supporting follows this line of thought.
Dave I understand your stance and you present it well. I just disagree with it. I think we just fundamentally differ on our definition of free speech and what it entails which means we probably won't see eye to eye on this.

I respect your view, I just don't share it.
 

Trump folds on another campaign promise.
 
According to you

It does make me laugh that every time someone talks about trump ruining everything it's almost a guarantee that person doesn't pay any attention to equity markets

S&P up 16%, NASDAQ 22% since the election. This is one of the most bullish markets we have seen in quite some time. In 6 months the equity market has already had what would be considered an incredible year

But then of course this has nothing to do with Trump is the quick and lazy retort. It's just a mere coincidence that the biggest event in the last year acted as a catalyst to one of the the most bullish markets. Traders love the idea of the tax reforms. The market is growing like a fucking weed

Trump has a hell of a lot of warts. Didn't vote for him either. But he has had a MONUMENTAL affect on the economy. A positive one.

These are good points, as I am not an economy guy (as in it's not my expertise nor my priority politically). But what has Trump done (asking honestly) other than remove some reforms (this has adverse affects as well) and talking about tax reform (just felt like I could use another set of parentheses)?

And the hope is that a better economy will actually serve everyone. I'm very afraid of the damage being done to the environment and the regression of healthcare.
 
These are good points, as I am not an economy guy (as in it's not my expertise nor my priority politically). But what has Trump done (asking honestly) other than remove some reforms (this has adverse affects as well) and talking about tax reform (just felt like I could use another set of parentheses)?

And the hope is that a better economy will actually serve everyone. I'm very afraid of the damage being done to the environment and the regression of healthcare.
A lot of things in the market trade on potential. A lot of times you will hear the terms "priced in" or "baked in." It basically just means that the current prices are taking into account future expectations.

It's a pretty odd thing because sometimes you will have a company that absolutely crushes their earnings report and will go down in price (a recent example is Nvidia) because outstanding earnings were the expectation and already reflected in the price. Then you can have a company like SNAP (snap chat's parent company) whose earnings were hot steaming garbaje, but everyone knew that would be the case and in fact the share price went way up because it wasn't as bad as people were expecting. People trade on SNAP solely based on the potential in the future.

Long story short I think a lot of people are really banking on the tax reforms. Now that also has severe negative consequences if things don't go as expected because you could see a large correction in the market.
 
It seems to me it's mostly just people having fun with it. No one is attacking him for a typo. They're just having fun posting ridiculous conspiracy theories about what the typo means.
No, they're attacking his intelligence. When are people going to admit Trump is smarter than they are? Deep down they know it.
 
No, they're attacking his intelligence. When are people going to admit Trump is smarter than they are? Deep down they know it.

While he obviously has no understanding of policy or how government works, he doesn't appear to be very intelligent on many issues outside of resonating with similarly unintelligent people or those who want to use that ability to get policies passed.
 
@Ben and I agree on a few things here or there... But we overwhelmingly agree the less you guys talk about politics the better the website looks long-term. Keep that in mind before you post. We don't want you to do it at fucking all.

I dont debate politics on here much, but why dont you want people talking or debating politics.

My opinion, make a politics section, put enter at own risk, and let them debate. Gets more posts and clicks for the site, separates it into a different site, and if someone is truly out of hand it can be reported.

This place has some of the more thought out political posts on both sides and i enjoy reading them. I get its filled with trash, but its politics, its going to be filled with trash.
 
Is there a reason politics is considered taboo here, yet we have a library worth of Poop, Tranny, Drug and other relatively strange topics?

I've learned more from Q, gour and Stannis than I have from any of the cretins who continue those threads.

This would have to be the least hostile environment to talk about these issues, to be honest.
 
A lot of things in the market trade on potential. A lot of times you will hear the terms "priced in" or "baked in." It basically just means that the current prices are taking into account future expectations.

It's a pretty odd thing because sometimes you will have a company that absolutely crushes their earnings report and will go down in price (a recent example is Nvidia) because outstanding earnings were the expectation and already reflected in the price. Then you can have a company like SNAP (snap chat's parent company) whose earnings were hot steaming garbaje, but everyone knew that would be the case and in fact the share price went way up because it wasn't as bad as people were expecting. People trade on SNAP solely based on the potential in the future.

Long story short I think a lot of people are really banking on the tax reforms. Now that also has severe negative consequences if things don't go as expected because you could see a large correction in the market.

I guess the most important thing is having a president that gives Wall Street good vibes. They were really afraid of Hilary and her draconian anti-wall street stance she has never had.

I don't doubt that good vibes make the market go up as well as major tax cuts for the rich. I also see that no credit goes to the Obama administration that was destroying Wallstreet even though they had 8 solid years of growth to reach all-time highs after an all-time low.
 
I guess the most important thing is having a president that gives Wall Street good vibes. They were really afraid of Hilary and her draconian anti-wall street stance she has never had.

I don't doubt that good vibes make the market go up as well as major tax cuts for the rich. I also see that no credit goes to the Obama administration that was destroying Wallstreet even though they had 8 solid years of growth to reach all-time highs after an all-time low.
You do realize that you, the common man, can share in the profits as well.

When the market goes up it's not just fat cats on wall street prospering. It's anyone investing in the market. You have a very socialistic view of the market.
 
Also all time highs for a market is the silliest argument. When is the last time that a 2 term president didn't reside over an all time market high over his 8 years? The market has a strong positive trend over time. Of course Obama was in office when it was at an all time high. So was Bush at the time. And now Trump is too. Seriously go find a president this wasn't true for. Genuinely curious if there was one in the last 80 years.

The market was going to recover after 2007 no matter who was in office even if it was a flying squirrel. The market trending down permanently would be the end of our economy. It will always rebound as long as we remain a vital organ of the world's infrastructure.
 
Also all time highs for a market is the silliest argument. When is the last time that a 2 term president didn't reside over an all time market high over his 8 years? The market has a strong positive trend over time. Of course Obama was in office when it was at an all time high. So was Bush at the time. And now Trump is too. Seriously go find a president this wasn't true for. Genuinely curious if there was one in the last 80 years.

The market was going to recover after 2007 no matter who was in office even if it was a flying squirrel. The market trending down permanently would be the end of our economy. It will always rebound as long as we remain a vital organ of the world's infrastructure.
Too bad it was the slowest recovery in history :(
 
You do realize that you, the common man, can share in the profits as well.

When the market goes up it's not just fat cats on wall street prospering. It's anyone investing in the market. You have a very socialistic view of the market.

Yeah sure. You also know gains on wall street are not always reflected in the larger economy. You are talking about feeling good about Trump making the market surge. That is not rock solid growth it is based on potential.
 
Yeah sure. You also know gains on wall street are not always reflected in the larger economy. You are talking about feeling good about Trump making the market surge. That is not rock solid growth it is based on potential.
They aren't, but what I'm saying is anyone can invest. And anyone investing even in just broad market indices right now is making hand over fist money. It isn't just back channel deals and the elite getting rich

I agree with you. It is based on potential. But it is based on potential because of the plans Trump laid out. And companies can capitalize on their individual stocks rising, but even more so the insurance, banking (to a lesser extent because their equities positions are legally restricted to be quite low), and finance industries with significant equity exposure are also making hand over fist money on actual investment income that can create more jobs and growth.

It's a very nuanced and circular process. Finance company Y has 50% of their portfolio in US equities. US equities surge. Company Y reports their realized/unrealized market gains on earnings report which are flourishing. Company Y now surges due to great earnings, thus causing the market to go up (since finance company Y is a part of the broader market).

The equity market is the backbone of everything. This country as we know it couldn't exist without it. I think you are majorly downplaying it's importance.
 
Too bad it was the slowest recovery in history :(

Obama not being able to go over 4 percent growth wasn't great.

Trump's first crack was 0.7...

But hey.
 
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