The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[gourimoko]

The DNC and republican party.. are just that parties. they are not part of the government. they select candidates to run for government with their support.

The parties ultimately choose who,will run for president. the primaries are just a tool to see what the public thnks of the candidates.


7 times the GOP delegate winner was not nominated for president.

What I did see was all of the dnc's internal communication made available for pulic consumption by Russian hackers.

what I didn't see was the republican internal communications.

so there is really no way to compare how the two parties conducted themselves internally.

back to the GOP. on 10 occasions the GOP candidates were not able to lock in enough delegates to secure the nomination. only 3 out of those 10 did the frontrunner (guy with most delegates) actually get nominated.

Its barely been 50 years that both parties relied on public input to select their candidate.

if a Candidate doesn't hit 238 for the Dems or 1237 for the republicans. the candidate with the most delegates aren't a shoo in for the nomination. perhaps we have forgotten because it hasn't happened in 60 years.

Democrats also have super Delegates who aren't bound by the primary votes.

Republicans let states dictate how their delegates are allotted... Democrats have set uniform rules for all states.


Also when candidates drop out.. delegates are reallocated. even further muddling the picture. once again both parties have different rules.


Hilary won the primary based on 609 super delegates votes. that was the swing vote.. had those super delegates voted for Bernie he would of been the nominee.


In other words the democratic party since the Jimmy Carter election have had it in their bylaws to override the popular vote in every given election.

Just to add to this; we don't nominate the candidate by popular vote in the Democratic party. We have caucuses which make up a large portion of our pledged delegates. I'm opposed to the super-delegate model, but I'm also opposed to a purely popular vote model for the Democratic party.

Grassroots nominations are not actually elections... I really don't think people understand that. Yes, the DNC cheated, but, they didn't even have to let Bernie run in the first place. The point here is that the DNC's actions, as foul as they were, do not compare to the Russians hacking the general election -- let alone an American presidential candidate colluding with a foreign power.

 

[pr26]

Hope folks can understand.. if this story is true, then that would mean collusion.. it would mean a conspiracy existed between the Russian government and operatives, through Michael Flynn, to get Trump elected...

This would be worse than Watergate.

Nah man, you must be late to the party. Didn't you hear that the whole Russia narrative was unraveling because a convicted fraud taped a producer from CNN health who had some opinions!?!?!

I'm waiting to see some taped conversations from the WSJ culinary editor before I buy into this liberal media BS.

#SusanRiceLied&SethRichDied

 

[gourimoko]

Nah man, you must be late to the party. Didn't you hear that the whole Russia narrative was unraveling because a convicted fraud taped a producer from CNN health who had some opinions!?!?!

I'm waiting to see some taped conversations from the WSJ culinary editor before I buy into this liberal media BS.

#SusanRiceLied&SethRichDied

 

[Tornicade]

Just to add to this; we don't nominate the candidate by popular vote in the Democratic party. We have caucuses which make up a large portion of our pledged delegates. I'm opposed to the super-delegate model, but I'm also opposed to a purely popular vote model for the Democratic party.

Grassroots nominations are not actually elections... I really don't think people understand that. Yes, the DNC cheated, but, they didn't even have to let Bernie run in the first place. The point here is that the DNC's actions, as foul as they were, do not compare to the Russians hacking the general election -- let alone an American presidential candidate colluding with a foreign power.

I don't even see the dnc' action as that foul. more of a couple lines crossed.

I think the DNC was vary wary about having an Independent with a history of crossing party lines as their president.

they got a bit too cozy with Hilary but the partiality exhibited in general. is sort of how the party is set up to run anyways.

Ultimately the only way Bernie or any democratic candidate is gonna lock in a nomination is persuading the super delegates to vote their way. Bernie failed to do that and its doubtful he ever had much of a chance.

However Bernie's platform caught the attention of the democrat base and Bernie himself now has a lot more clout as an independent than he did before.

Whats embarrassing for the DNC is that even though the process was clearly stacked against Bernie.

the Committee tried to stack the deck even further.. it was all kinda pointless.

I really am doubtful that the republican committee doesn't attempt to influence unbound republican delegates.

Bound republicans are only committed to a candidate on the first ballot. if no candidate hits the mark.

then those delegates can vote anyway they want in following ballots.

If Trump hadnt got his 1238. I am not so sure he would of been the parties choice.
North Dakota could of Bernied Donald regardless of the vote

 

[gourimoko]

I left out the part about Bernie/DNC just because.. well.. I'm still a bit pissed off about that..

I really am doubtful that the republican committee doesn't attempt to influence unbound republican delegates.

Bound republicans are only committed to a candidate on the first ballot. if no candidate hits the mark.

then those delegates can vote anyway they want in following ballots.

If Trump hadnt got his 1238. I am not so sure he would of been the parties choice.
North Dakota could of Bernied Donald regardless of the vote

The GOP/RNC has cheated, knowingly, publicly, with "Rule 40" which prevented Ron Paul from potentially winning the nomination at the convention.

And all of that being said... talking about this, is exactly what some folks want, because we're not talking about Russian hackers infiltrating the DNC.

 

[David.]

I left out the part about Bernie/DNC just because.. well.. I'm still a bit pissed off about that..



The GOP/RNC has cheated, knowingly, publicly, with "Rule 40" which prevented Ron Paul from potentially winning the nomination at the convention.

And all of that being said... talking about this, is exactly what some folks want, because we're not talking about Russian hackers infiltrating the DNC.

What's rule 40?what happened ? Never heard of it

 

[gourimoko]

What's rule 40?what happened ? Never heard of it

It was an ad hoc GOP convention rule put in place that prevented Ron Paul from becoming the nominee by way of a brokered convention. It was specifically designed so that his strategy to win the nomination would fail, and it was concocted with that sole purpose in mind. Essentially it changed the minimum threshold for a potential nominee to requiring a majority win in 8 states rather than 5; which, Paul had.

So essentially, Paul met the threshold, and they simply raised it slight above where he was to keep him from winning.

It was a huge controversy.

 

[Sebastian]

View: https://twitter.com/wsj/status/880536341431406592

WSJ? Pffftttt.

More Fake News.

 

[AZ_]

Hope folks can understand.. if this story is true, then that would mean collusion.. it would mean a conspiracy existed between the Russian government and operatives, through Michael Flynn, to get Trump elected...

This would be worse than Watergate.

View: https://twitter.com/coreyciorciari/status/880549473667227649

 

[Tornicade]

I left out the part about Bernie/DNC just because.. well.. I'm still a bit pissed off about that..



The GOP/RNC has cheated, knowingly, publicly, with "Rule 40" which prevented Ron Paul from potentially winning the nomination at the convention.

And all of that being said... talking about this, is exactly what some folks want, because we're not talking about Russian hackers infiltrating the DNC.

I think people should understand how elections work in order to grasp the impact of the Russian hacks

 

[AZ_]

@gourimoko

Do you think this narrative shift to "so what if there was collusion" is just a coincidence with the Flynn story dropping this week?

Can't imagine they're not connected.

 

[gourimoko]

View: https://twitter.com/coreyciorciari/status/880549473667227649

So... Flynn turns state's evidence in 3... 2... 1.

 

[gourimoko]

@gourimoko

Do you think this narrative shift to "so what if there was collusion" is just a coincidence with the Flynn story dropping this week?

Can't imagine they're not connected.

I can't imagine they're not connected either....

Yes, I think it definitely makes sense that they were trying to prep their base for this... They knew Flynn was colluding with the Russians because they were colluding with the Russians. This gives a great deal of weight to the Kushner/Flynn Russian embassy fiasco if they were exchanging this kind of information.

This also speaks to Flynn's lawyer saying that "he's got a story to tell," and approaching the Senate, House and FBI investigators asking for immunity.... and that immunity offer being declined.

 

[Cavatt]

Is being cool with what the DNC did good for America? Look, there are shitloads of leaks -- breaking the law - by people who want to take down Trump. Should we focus on the illegality of the leaks, the substance, or both?

Nobody is saying that Russian should be left off the hook for hacking. Our government should have been more aggressive about that for years. But letting Hillary and the DNC off the hook for what those leaks showed isn't right either.



If that is true -- that all of that was known by voters anyway even without the leaks -- then the leaks shouldn't have mattered anyway, so it's much ado about nothing.

You can't have it both ways. Either the DNC leaks impacted the election because they gave people facts they didn't otherwise know about DNC corruption, or they didn't impact the election because people already knew all about it anyway.

Nobody is letting Hilary or the DNC off for anything. They suffered a huge amount of absenteeism at the poles by democrats because of it, and were already losing Bernie supporters before it came to light because the primary was already seen as rigged by the very rules.

I blame Hilary pretty thoroughly for her loss. She wasn't even around when Trump was touring the midwest. She spent most of her time hiding. I don't really know any of her policies. What was she running on? Trump wanted a wall. I know that.

In the end no matter what, the DNC was going to get Hilary as their candidate because of the super delegates. Yeah Bernie could have won overwhelmingly in all the states to override that, but it was a long shot. Others have addressed it above.

The anonymous CIA leak said there was collusion and the NSA too. Now we have an intermediary of Flynn's saying their was collusion and the administration trying to get further away from Flynn.

Again as a sharp Lawyer, would you go for the jugular if this administration was opposing counsel or you would throw up your hands here and say "no evidence I guess, let's get some sodi pop!"

 

[David.]

View: https://twitter.com/jdude924/status/879667134309289985?s=09