The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[Wrathe]

Well, it's not a yes or know answer unless you're able to directly quantify the impact of their targeted fake news. Since that is impossible, we'll simply never be able to know for sure.



This should be irrelevant.

Russia doesn't get to make any impact on our election process and get rewarded and/or a flat denial of the intelligence community's own assessment of their involvement.


That doesn't get to happen without repercussions, not the reversing of some of those repercussions put in place by the previous administration.

You don't just let it go if you can't reasonably determine whether or not it altered the outcome.

Thanks for the clarification.

 

[Huber.]

A few Trump supporters in this thread.

Though it's possible they're just Hubering.

This is also becoming the company line at Fox.

shut the

"Hubering"

fuck up



@The Oi please define "hubering" @others no need apply

 

[caf]

Well I know once I started watching Tucker Carlson is when I hit huberty.

 

[Tlyons]

Well I know once I started watching Tucker Carlson is when I hit huberty.

Tucker's balls not dropping yet plays quite well in this one.

Well done sir.

 

[Cavatt]

If they did then we should hire them the next election to expose the dnc again

This is the thing that really sucks about what is going on. People like Russia because they hate democrats. They really think that Democrats are so evil that they want to side with some straight up anti-democracy assholes. Russia specifically stands in opposition to our way of life.

Wanting tax cuts for all the richest people in the country while they take away the lifetime limits protections and pre-existing conditions I can understand. It sucks you are callous because of it, but you want to keep your tax money and you want rich guys to buy more jet skis. It is selfish, but understandable because lots of people are selfish and immature and only care about short term gain.

Siding with Russia is just wrong and anti-american. Even if you like the effect like Qtip, you should not be wanting this Russia interference. It is unamerican, and if you like Russia you hate America and the free exchange of ideas point blank.

I am not sure there was straight up collusion, but I am sure when the administration met Russian officials they were psyched and laughing like Trump in the oval office with his comrade bros.

 

[Wrathe]

This is the thing that really sucks about what is going on. People like Russia because they hate democrats. They really think that Democrats are so evil that they want to side with some straight up anti-democracy assholes. Russia specifically stands in opposition to our way of life.

Wanting tax cuts for all the richest people in the country while they take away the lifetime limits protections and pre-existing conditions I can understand. It sucks you are callous because of it, but you want to keep your tax money and you want rich guys to buy more jet skis. It is selfish, but understandable because lots of people are selfish and immature and only care about short term gain.

Siding with Russia is just wrong and anti-american. Even if you like the effect like Qtip, you should not be wanting this Russia interference. It is unamerican, and if you like Russia you hate America and the free exchange of ideas point blank.

I am not sure there was straight up collusion, but I am sure when the administration met Russian officials they were psyched and laughing like Trump in the oval office with his comrade bros.

I hear ya man, but I don't think people are picking Russia, they're picking "The Truth". It's unfortunate that Russia had to be the ones to expose that stuff was going on. I honestly mean that, and would even if it was RNC that was exposed. Our leaders are lying to us; that should be the story.

 

[gourimoko]

I hear ya man, but I don't think people are picking Russia, they're picking "The Truth". It's unfortunate that Russia had to be the ones to expose that stuff was going on. I honestly mean that, and would even if it was RNC that was exposed. Our leaders are lying to us; that should be the story.

Not that Russia is influencing and hacking into our elections, or that, the Trump campaign may have colluded with a foreign power?

The emails and data hacked from the DNC is more important than that?

How?!

 

[caf]

This is the thing that really sucks about what is going on. People like Russia because they hate democrats. They really think that Democrats are so evil that they want to side with some straight up anti-democracy assholes. Russia specifically stands in opposition to our way of life.

Rigging a primary election is as anti-democratic as it gets.

That was the Democrats... Not Russia.

 

[gourimoko]

Rigging a primary election is as anti-democratic as it gets.

That was the Democrats... Not Russia.

I'm a Bernie supporter, and I donated to his campaign in a very large way... Volunteered, went door to door, went to fundraisers, helped raise money.

Fully 100% supported Bernie Sanders....

For all the shit the Democrats did to Sanders and his campaign; it pales in comparison to what Russia did and attempted to do in our election.

Honestly, it boggles the mind that anyone who would consider themselves a patriot of this country would be okay with a foreign power attempting to bribe, influence, hack, interfere, and otherwise manipulate our democracy.

This shouldn't even be a partisan question, caf... Stop for a moment, and just think about it.

 

[Cavatt]

I hear ya man, but I don't think people are picking Russia, they're picking "The Truth". It's unfortunate that Russia had to be the ones to expose that stuff was going on. I honestly mean that, and would even if it was RNC that was exposed. Our leaders are lying to us; that should be the story.

People are not picking the truth. They want whatever is good for their side. Being cool with what Russia did is bad for America.

If people wanted the Truth, they would not be pro-trump. We can talk about the stuff CNN "lied" about all day. It does not change the fact that the President lies all the time and Republicans are just cool with it. We have no reason to trust him about Russia because he is so fundamentally untrustworthy. Trust is earned not given.

Did the DNC lie and sabotage Bernie. Yes they did. It was not even lied about. They said so from the beginning when the super delegates said they were pledged to Hilary on day 1. I don't support the DNC.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

People are not picking the truth. They want whatever is good for their side. Being cool with what Russia did is bad for America.

Is being cool with what the DNC did good for America? Look, there are shitloads of leaks -- breaking the law - by people who want to take down Trump. Should we focus on the illegality of the leaks, the substance, or both?

Nobody is saying that Russian should be left off the hook for hacking. Our government should have been more aggressive about that for years. But letting Hillary and the DNC off the hook for what those leaks showed isn't right either.

Did the DNC lie and sabotage Bernie. Yes they did. It was not even lied about. They said so from the beginning when the super delegates said they were pledged to Hilary on day 1.

If that is true -- that all of that was known by voters anyway even without the leaks -- then the leaks shouldn't have mattered anyway, so it's much ado about nothing.

You can't have it both ways. Either the DNC leaks impacted the election because they gave people facts they didn't otherwise know about DNC corruption, or they didn't impact the election because people already knew all about it anyway.

 

[caf]

I'm a Bernie supporter, and I donated to his campaign in a very large way... Volunteered, went door to door, went to fundraisers, helped raise money.

Fully 100% supported Bernie Sanders....

For all the shit the Democrats did to Sanders and his campaign; it pales in comparison to what Russia did and attempted to do in our election.

Honestly, it boggles the mind that anyone who would consider themselves a patriot of this country would be okay with a foreign power attempting to bribe, influence, hack, interfere, and otherwise manipulate our democracy.

This shouldn't even be a partisan question, caf... Stop for a moment, and just think about it.

I guess that's where we differ.

The DNC should be expected to act in the best interest of the American people, i.e. their constiuents. Russia has no such obligation to the American people.

Thus I find what the DNC did way more disgusting. Frankly it boggles my mind that anyone who considers themselves a patriot would think that the abuse of trust from the DNC is somehow less perverse than a foreign entity allegedly acting in it's best interests.

 

[gourimoko]

I guess that's where we differ.

The DNC should be expected to act in the best interest of the American people, i.e. their constiuents. Russia has no such obligation to the American people.

I don't disagree with any of this... but you are an American, not an objective neutral observer right? The context of my comment comes from the perspective that we are both American patriots, and want what's best for America, right?

So how does it make sense to argue that what Russia did was okay, because the DNC somehow did something bad? First off, what Russia did was objectively worse, regardless of how you slice it, and could potentially end up with an impeachment if it's found that Trump colluded with the Russians or obstructed the Russian investigation.

Thus I find what the DNC did way more disgusting.

How?!?

Frankly it boggles my mind that anyone who considers themselves a patriot would think that the abuse of trust from the DNC is somehow less perverse than a foreign entity allegedly acting in it's best interests.

This doesn't make sense...

There is no trust relationship with the DNC, nor the Russians. You're arguing that somehow the Russians attack on us, because it's in their interests, is somehow justifiable.

Think about what you are saying.

That's like someone saying 9/11 was justifiable for Al Qaeda, because it was in their best interests, therefore it was okay. That makes no sense, especially if you're the victim of that attack.

You're also suggesting it is within your patriotic values to be okay with Russia attacking the US election and system of democracy? Leave the DNC aside for a moment, just a moment...

Are you okay with Russia interference in our election to the extent and degree that is being reported, up to and including potential collusion with the President of the United States? That fits within your worldview as an American patriot?

I'm not asking you whether or not you believe the reports; I'm asking you if the reporting is true, and if Trump did collude with the Russians, would you be okay with that?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

So how does it make sense to argue that what Russia did was okay, because the DNC somehow did something bad?

This is the argument I've never quite gotten. Very few people are saying that what Russia did was okay. But the clear suggestion by some Democrats is that what Russia did in hacking the DNC somehow invalids/delegitimizes Trump's election. That's really what's going on here even if it isn't argued openly.

First off, what Russia did was objectively worse, regardless of how you slice it, and could potentially end up with an impeachment if it's found that Trump colluded with the Russians.

Well, I'm going to agree with @caf here regarding what the Russians did. I think the U.S. government has leaked illegally acquired information to help one party or the other in all sorts of elections overseas. It's not a very nice thing to do, but we do it. I think a U.S. political party doing what the DNC did is actually worse. Again, even though that kind of thing has happened in the past. Doesn't mean we shouldn't response to what Russia did, though.

I would agree that if it is proven that Trump colluded with the Russians to engage in illegal activity, that would be much worse than anything the DNC did, and he should be impeached. Absent that, however, I'm not sure what relevancy the Russian hacking of the DNC has to Trump's Presidency at all.

 

[AZ_]

Rigging a primary election is as anti-democratic as it gets.

That was the Democrats... Not Russia.

You can't possibly spout "what difference does it make" if Russia was involved, and then say the DNC rigged the primary.

Hillary was winning the primary, and Donna Brazille giving a debate question to the Clinton camp wasn't going to change that.

I mean, do you even think that's remotely rational?