The Trump Administration (just Trump) Thread

[SalvadoranCavsfan]

The contrary position to this is that there is a neoreactionary movement out there that will fight tooth and nail to say that anything and everything is not racist; regardless of whether or not it is or isn't .. simply because they find the concept so offensive (presumably) that no one could possibly be a racist, even people cloaked in sheets.

So what you're saying is that there are bad people on both sides?

 

[gourimoko]

Of course I was serious -- the evidence of that is that you didn't answer the question. You said a decision to be made. What decision? Whether or not to re-elect Trump in 2020?

1) Whom to vote for in 2018, or 2020.
2) How to go about lobbying Congressional leaders who are negotiating immigration right now.
3) How many resources should be spent on efforts to oppose the President on such an issue as this.

If you're saying this event is effectively meaningless in making informed political decisions, then I'd beg to differ.

 

[gourimoko]

So what you're saying is that there are bad people on both sides?

And very fine people on both sides too.. Very fine...

 

[-Akronite-]

I wouldn't be as defensive of certain comments if it wasn't the lefts mission to label as many people as possible a racist.

Drink.

 

[gourimoko]

November cannot get here soon enough...

Poll: Dems lead by 17 points on generic ballot in House

Democrats have opened up a massive 17-point advantage in generic ballot polling for the House ahead of the 2018 midterm elections, according to the latest survey from Quinnipiac University.

When voters were asked if they would rather see Republicans or Democrats win control of the House in 2018, 52 percent said Democrats, while 35 percent said Republicans. Thirteen percent were undecided.

Those findings give Democrats a greater advantage than most other recent polls. According to the RealClearPolitics average, Democrats have a 12-point advantage in the generic ballot.

Still, many political observers are predicting a Democratic wave election and likening the 2018 political landscape to 2006, during former President George W. Bush’s second term in office, when Democrats picked up 30 seats and seized control of the House and the Senate.

That year, Democrats entered Election Day with an 8-point generic ballot lead, according to the RealClearPolitics average.

In the 2010 midterm elections, when the GOP picked up 63 seats in the House and won control of both chambers of Congress, Republicans had a 7-point advantage in the generic ballot, according to the RealClearPolitics average.

 

[AZ_]

I wouldn't be as defensive of certain comments if it wasn't the lefts mission to label as many people as possible a racist.

You have yet to make an argument in opposition to the racist nature of his statements.

Some people are actually racist, and consistently say racist things to speak to a base. Not everything is just hysteria of the left, Donald Trump actually believes immigrants from shithole countries don't belong here. That's not the media's fault, or Dick Durbin's, but his own ignorant/racist view. It wasn't private, it wasn't the first time.

It appears your mission here is to simply bait people, blatantly lie about the context of these comments and act defensive when confronted with the facts.

Not a great look, and now you're out here attacking mods when things haven't gone your way.

I'd suggest taking a little break from the board, to be honest.

 

[Cavatt]

Such as...what? What "informed decision" is there to be made?



He doesn't have any obligation to Trump. The obligation would be to the country as a whole in not deliberately disseminating information that will damage our foreign relations. Some of that type of stuff was in those Snowden documents as well - disparaging things about foreign countries/politicians that damaged the U.S. when they were made public.

Apparently, there also was a lot of that kind of stuff in the Hillary Clinton emails as well. Nasty things that were said about various people they dealt with overseas, etc., that would have been damaging to the U.S. (as well as to Hillary personally) if released in unredacted form. Perhaps embarrassing to the sitting Administration as well.

So the question is -- do you think all of those things should have been released in unredacted form, so that both the American people and foreign countries could see exactly what Hillary Clinton and everyone on those email chains thought about various foreign countries, American political leaders, etc..? I mean, since you're talking about the value of making "informed decisions" about our President, shouldn't that logic have applied even more so when the country was trying to decide who would be President for the next four years?

I don't recall anyone really arguing for that.

The statement indicates what his agenda is in regards to immigration, so I would say it is relevant to the discussion. It isn't just illegal immigrants he wants to get rid of, he wants to restrict immigration from muslim countries, and poor countries. That is something people need to know about.

I would have loved for the voters to have been more informed in Nov 2016. I wish they had seen all of Hilary's emails and I wish they had known everything about Trump and Russia then too.

 

[Phills14]

If you were trying to play the middle here and step in to cool things down you certainly look like you're favoring one side with how this is worded. Which is never a good thing to do when breaking up a confrontation.

Seriously, just stop.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

The statement indicates what his agenda is in regards to immigration, so I would say it is relevant to the discussion. It isn't just illegal immigrants he wants to get rid of, he wants to restrict immigration from muslim countries, and poor countries. That is something people need to know about.

What decision?

 

[MediumBaller]

On the bright side, at least we can count on the Cavs lifting our spirits tonight.

 

[gourimoko]

What decision?

1) Whom to vote for in 2018, or 2020.
2) How to go about lobbying Congressional leaders who are negotiating immigration right now.
3) How many resources should be spent on efforts to oppose the President on such an issue as this.

 

[TyGuy]

Seriously, just stop.

Stop what? If you’re going to step in and say to cool things down it’s probably best to not favor one side.

 

[Cavatt]

What decision?

The bill congress is crafting? The letter we write to our people in congress. Whether we support this policy that is being crafted.

 

[TyGuy]

Instead of assuming everyone has the same flaws as you in order to justify said flaws, maybe you could try to work on them instead?

Ohh get out of here. @The Oi look at all these pussies that refuse to admit calling a place a shithole.

 

[billmac91]

Not exactly the same thing, but I remember a whole bunch of people on the right insulted/pissed off about being called "deplorable".

“You know, to just be grossly generalistic, you could put half of Trump’s supporters into what I call the basket of deplorables. Right?” Clinton said. “The racist, sexist, homophobic, xenophobic, Islamaphobic—you name it. And unfortunately there are people like that. And he has lifted them up.”

She said the other half of Trump’s supporters “feel that the government has let them down” and are “desperate for change.”

I view these situations in a similar vein. If you were even considering a vote for Trump, it pissed you off to hear that you were either:

1. Deplorable
2: Desperate for Change

I don't view myself in either basket.

Trump just asked why keep taking these people from "shithole" countries? If I were from one of those countries, I'd be thinking:

1. My country isn't a "shithole"
2. I'm not a "shithole"

Over-generalizing entire populations of people is never a good thing.....especially when you're disparaging them. Doing it as President just takes it to another level of stupid.