The unofficial Obamacare thread...

[AZ_]

So this bill is pretty much horseshit, right?

Massive tax cut for the wealthy, stripping health care for countless Americans.

 

[gourimoko]

So this bill is pretty much horseshit, right?

Massive tax cut for the wealthy, stripping health care for countless Americans.

Yep.

They're not fooling anyone with this shit.

 

[AZ_]

Yep.

They're not fooling anyone with this shit.

I'd like to think they aren't fooling anyone, but there are legions of diehard Trumpers still defending this shit.

It's insane.

 

[David.]

I'd like to think they aren't fooling anyone, but there are legions of diehard Trumpers still defending this shit.

It's insane.

Last i Checked, they didn't like it either. Lot of ppl just want it repealed

 

[gourimoko]

Last i Checked, they didn't like it either. Lot of ppl just want it repealed

You'd be better off with the Republican plan than an outright repeal.

If people prefer to repeal Obamacare without a replacement, then that doesn't bode well for the American people making smart choices moving forward.

 

[Sebastian]

But hey, the GOP Congressmen and their staffers get to keep all the Obamacare goodies.

Fuck these pieces of shit. And I mean virtually all Congresspersons.


Republicans exempt their own insurance from their latest health care proposal
Republican legislators want to keep popular Obamacare provisions for themselves and their staff.

https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment

 

[Hurl Bruce]

Let me get this straight...is all of this true under this proposed healthcare bill?

A C-section will be considered a pre-existing condition. Postpartum depression. Sexual assault. Being a victim of domestic violence.

Meanwhile, this bill will give the top 2% an additional trillion-dollar tax cut?

What kind of bullshit is this that the people don't rise up and flay the congressmen that vote for this? Now THAT would be a condition that would be covered.

 

[Hurl Bruce]

It's taking a lot for me not to tweet many congressmen with wishes of them getting cancer.

 

[Sebastian]

Let me get this straight...is all of this true under this proposed healthcare bill?

A C-section will be considered a pre-existing condition. Postpartum depression. Sexual assault. Being a victim of domestic violence.

Meanwhile, this bill will give the top 2% an additional trillion-dollar tax cut?

What kind of bullshit is this that the people don't rise up and flay the congressmen that vote for this? Now THAT would be a condition that would be covered.

It is because a lot of people equate their favored party's political victory into a personal victory. It generally takes something catastrophic happening to them that allows them to finally realize that their partisans in Congress do not give a shit about their constituents unless they are donating a lot of money to their campaigns and that, no, there is no "we won" check in the mail.

However, on this issue even hard core GOP types can see clearly how fucked over a lot of them will be if this ludicrous bill passes.

And yes, if this bill becomes law, every single Congressman/Senator that votes yes on this deserves to be flayed. Every single one of them knows the ACA does not need to be repealed in its entirety, that this bill is beyond terrible and that the problems with Obamacare are fixable without fucking over a lot of people if they actually tried. But, creating a fully functional system that everyone can live with isn't their goal.

One small consolation is that once the pain starts, if this passes (the Senate will not pass this), the GOP is in for an ass-whooping in the mid-terms. Healthcare made the modern GOP in 2010 and it can very well bury them in 2018 and 2020.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Let me get this straight...is all of this true under this proposed healthcare bill?

A C-section will be considered a pre-existing condition. Postpartum depression. Sexual assault. Being a victim of domestic violence.

Meanwhile, this bill will give the top 2% an additional trillion-dollar tax cut?

No. But it isn't surprising that someone out there is claiming that it is.

 

[cavman]

Can we see what's in the bill yet? Or do we have to pass it first before we read it?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

But hey, the GOP Congressmen and their staffers get to keep all the Obamacare goodies.

Fuck these pieces of shit. And I mean virtually all Congresspersons.


Republicans exempt their own insurance from their latest health care proposal
Republican legislators want to keep popular Obamacare provisions for themselves and their staff.

https://www.vox.com/2017/4/25/15429982/gop-exemption-ahca-amendment

The Vox article is disingenuous. Just as a starting point, ObamaCare itself (through executive rule-making) currently contains a similar waiver. So even if the GOP was doing this, it wouldn't be anything more than status quo with respect to Congress. Vox doesn't mention that.

But in fact, the waiver is something that has to be in the main bill (H.R. 1628) for it to qualify for reconciliation in the Senate.

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/guybe...-congress-from-controversial-changes-n2318609

The GOP has also introduced a separate bill (H.R. 2192) that strips out the exemption. That separate bill won't qualify for reconciliation in the Senate, but there's no way that will get filibustered so it should pass if the main bill makes it.

http://thehill.com/homenews/senate/...s-from-obamacare-rollbacks-in-new-legislation

Now, there's always the possibility that won't happen, and if Congress passes the main bill but not the subsequent one, they'll deserve all the shit they'll get. But unless/until that happens, the criticism is bogus.

ETA: The "McSally BIll" that barred any Congressional carve-out or exception passed the House unanimously this afternoon.

 

[Whittaker]

It is because a lot of people equate their favored party's political victory into a personal victory

One small consolation is that once the pain starts, if this passes (the Senate will not pass this), the GOP is in for an ass-whooping in the mid-terms.

I see what you mean.

 

[AZ_]

The Vox article is disingenuous. Just as a starting point, ObamaCare itself (through executive rule-making) currently contains a similar waiver. So even if the GOP was doing this, it wouldn't be anything more than status quo with respect to Congress. Vox doesn't mention that.

But in fact, the waiver is something that has to be in the main bill (H.R. 1628) for it to qualify for reconciliation in the Senate.

They also didn't mention that this was a key point the GOP crushed Democrats on during the original fight over the ACA. Status quo or not, it's shameful.

Now, there's always the possibility that won't happen, and if Congress passes the main bill but not the subsequent one, they'll deserve all the shit they'll get. But unless/until that happens, the criticism is bogus.

They certainly deserve all the shit they get, if for no other reason than this exemption is far down the list of reasons why this bill is terrible for the large majority of Americans, most especially those in need of adequate health coverage.

 

[AZ_]

I mean, the guy just outright lied his way into the Presidency and proceeded to screw over so many of the people that voted him in.

The people who voted for him deserve what they get in some respects, but I'm still fascinated with the fact that so many people actually bought what he was selling: