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To those of you who love to complain about the Indians' payroll...

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Two things need to change for the Tribe:

1) Their bullpen. We had it down in '05 and then we blow it up in just one winter. The '04, '05, and '06 teams weren't that different. But the '05 team was really the only one that had a bullpen worth a damn.

And if people think that Dolan doesn't spend...we offered Trevor Hoffman a big contract last winter. He took LESS MONEY to go back to San Diego, where he had been his whole career and where he was a local icon, over coming to Cleveland. How is that Dolan's fault? He lost Howry, but he was aggressive in letting Shapiro go after one of the best closers in history. It's not his fault that SD is a better city than Cleveland (which, trust me, it is. No need to chime in here, LePip ;) ).

2) A new manager. Managers DO make a difference. Look at Leyland, Ozzie Guillen, and Terry Francona. If Detroit goes all the way this year, then all those guys will have won the WS in just their first or second year of managing.

To be honest, the '05 White Sox and '06 Tigers are not more talented than we are. We have the arms (Sabathia, Westbrook, and Lee are on par with any other top three in baseball) and the offense (Hafner, Sizemore, VMart can all be All-Stars every year). This team was one of the worst, if not THE worst, defensive teams in the league. We never had timely hitting. We'd lost two out of three in a series where we beat somebody 19-2 in the middle game yet score a total of three runs in the other two combined. A veteran manager would have these young guys thinking about the big picture and have them stay together on the same page.

As for Wedge...the best he could do was barely miss the playoffs. Yet Shapiro still wants him around. Leave it to the Indians for loving a guy who is almost good, but not good enough. Hasn't that always been the story with this franchise?
 
CavalierAttitude said:
Two things need to change for the Tribe:

1) Their bullpen. We had it down in '05 and then we blow it up in just one winter. The '04, '05, and '06 teams weren't that different. But the '05 team was really the only one that had a bullpen worth a damn.

And if people think that Dolan doesn't spend...we offered Trevor Hoffman a big contract last winter. He took LESS MONEY to go back to San Diego, where he had been his whole career and where he was a local icon, over coming to Cleveland. How is that Dolan's fault? He lost Howry, but he was aggressive in letting Shapiro go after one of the best closers in history. It's not his fault that SD is a better city than Cleveland (which, trust me, it is. No need to chime in here, LePip ;) ).

2) A new manager. Managers DO make a difference. Look at Leyland, Ozzie Guillen, and Terry Francona. If Detroit goes all the way this year, then all those guys will have won the WS in just their first or second year of managing.

To be honest, the '05 White Sox and '06 Tigers are not more talented than we are. We have the arms (Sabathia, Westbrook, and Lee are on par with any other top three in baseball) and the offense (Hafner, Sizemore, VMart can all be All-Stars every year). This team was one of the worst, if not THE worst, defensive teams in the league. We never had timely hitting. We'd lost two out of three in a series where we beat somebody 19-2 in the middle game yet score a total of three runs in the other two combined. A veteran manager would have these young guys thinking about the big picture and have them stay together on the same page.

As for Wedge...the best he could do was barely miss the playoffs. Yet Shapiro still wants him around. Leave it to the Indians for loving a guy who is almost good, but not good enough. Hasn't that always been the story with this franchise?

the thing i didnt understand was trading Wickman, he was a very good closer for you guys in 05, but then again, i dont know anything about indians baseball according to cali
 
Wickman...he's at the tail-end of his career. he was average at best for us this year, and i expect nothing but more of a decline in his abilities if he even stays around for another year. there had been lots of talk of retirement at the end of this year, so why not get something for him while you can(an A-league catcher, whoopedy freakin doo).
 
Cavs1 said:
Wickman...he's at the tail-end of his career. he was average at best for us this year, and i expect nothing but more of a decline in his abilities if he even stays around for another year. there had been lots of talk of retirement at the end of this year, so why not get something for him while you can(an A-league catcher, whoopedy freakin doo).

james. duhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh
 
CavalierAttitude said:
Leave it to the Indians for loving a guy who is almost good, but not good enough. Hasn't that always been the story with this franchise?

Hasn't that always been the story with EVERY Cleveland franchise? Sick of it. That's why my new slogan is:

TGFLJ

Anyone figure out what that stands for???
 
TGFLJ
Thank God For Lesbian's Jugs!:thumbup:
 
Thank God for Lameass Jigo (cause he makes this board a fvcking riot)??

:chuckles:
 
I think Victor Martinez threw out like 21% of all runners..terrible. Wish we signed pudge a few years back..
 
We gotta move him to first at some point...I dont know what they are waiting for.
 
A Mac aka The Truth said:
We gotta move him to first at some point...I dont know what they are waiting for.

It got a lot harder when Garko was tearing the cover off the baseball..that guy is an RBI machine.
 

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