TPE and accumulating draft picks

[Zone]

During one of the Cavs summer league games, Windy said he believed that we'd use our TPE the OKC way (or something to that effect), meaning that we'd use it to absorb salary from a team looking to cut costs.

Recent tweet from Windy

Sources said Lakers are trying to trade Sasha Vujacic wfirst round pick to get his salary off books. They tried to do it for Delonte West

So the Lakers are trying to dump Vujacic and a #1. The problem with that is in all probability the Lakers pick will be in the 25-30 range, where more often than not you can just purchase that type of pick for $3m. In essence, we'd be paying $5,475,113 (Vujacic's salary) for that very late #1. You guys think it'd be worth it?

LAL also has a few #2 picks in the 2011 Draft: http://www.realgm.com/src_future_draftpicks.php

Maybe if they threw in some additional #2's?


There's also a few teams that are pretty close to or over the luxury tax line. Here's a list of a few that might be willing to part with some sort of draft pick combo in order to reduce costs (along with players that could be feasibly traded)

LAL: Sasha Vujacic (expiring)
PHI: Willie Green (expiring), Jason Kapono (expiring)
IND: Ford (expiring), Foster (expiring)
NOH: James Posey (2 years), Darius Songaila (expiring)
CHA: Nazr Mohammed (expiring)
GSW: Dan Gadzuric (expiring), Vlad Radmanovich (expiring), Charlie Bell (2 years)

I doubt that teams like Golden State and Philadelphia would be willing to trade their #1's this early in the year, but they can also try to protect any pick they'd trade. So if Philly wanted to save about $4m by trading Green for part of our TPE, they could trade him along with a lottery protected #1.

 

[Urban]

Late first or not, I'd be willing to take on Vujacic for a 1st round pick. He only has one year left on his deal and he's not being paid THAT much. Of course Dan Gilbert will be paying him, not me. I know we have a year to use the TPE, but what else are we going to use it on?

I'd be willing to take on players with 2 years if it meant getting a first from the likes of Golden State, Sacramento, etc.

 

[narbar32]

I definitely agree with this line of thinking, but I would say that the type of salaries we would have to absorb for a first round pick would be longer than expirings in most cases, other than Sasha V of course. If anything, those teams would be more likely to save those expirings for the deadline as assets for their own lopsided trades than to give away a first rounder just to save money for a year.

The hornets are very intriguing to me in terms of using the TPE, taking on Posey's or Emeka's salary and a first rounder, as that team may be looking at some very bad records in the next few years.

 

[wuck]

FYI, there's some good discussion by IBWT about this TPE (and other options) in the Shannon Brown thread: http://www.realcavsfans.com/showthread.php?p=985114#post985114

 

[Zone]

I definitely agree with this line of thinking, but I would say that the type of salaries we would have to absorb for a first round pick would be longer than expirings in most cases, other than Sasha V of course. If anything, those teams would be more likely to save those expirings for the deadline as assets for their own lopsided trades than to give away a first rounder just to save money for a year.

The hornets are very intriguing to me in terms of using the TPE, taking on Posey's or Emeka's salary and a first rounder, as that team may be looking at some very bad records in the next few years.

Sure, they could save the expiring, but the TPE that they'd have (instead of the expiring contract) could function similarly to that of the expiring contract if they chose to go that route.

As for New Orleans, one way to go about a trade with them is to first use part of the TPE to obtain a player with an expiring contract (while acquiring assets), and then flip that expiring for a player with a longer deal. For instance:

First trade
CLE receives: Willie Green, Thaddeus Young
PHI receives: TPE

Second trade
CLE receives: James Posey, asset(s)
NOH receives: Willie Green, Jamario Moon

I don't know that NOH is a great trading partner at this time because of the uncertainty with CP3. Maybe GSW might be a better example

First trade
CLE receives: Willie Green, Thaddeus Young
PHI receives: TPE

Second trade
CLE receives: Charlie Bell, option to flip-flop picks in future draft
GSW receives: Willie Green

At that point, we wouldn't necessarily have to tank to get a top pick because we'd have the option to flip picks with Golden State

 

[io35]

best rebiuld plan ever:1. tank out to get harrison barnes
2.trade mo and powe for Iggy
3.get yao ming next summer via sign and trade with rockets(Anderson V. and 1st round draft pick 2014.

pg: Sessions, gibson

sg: Iggy, danny green

sf: Barnes, eneyga

pf: hickson, sameals/jawad

c:yao, hollins

not the best bench, but a 60+ win starting five.

 

[hud11]

young guys on rookie contracts that their current teams may not be in love with, thats where the cavs should be focusing.

Thad Young, Marresse Speights, Rudy Fernandez - guys like that. you take on a somewhat bad contract and/or maybe throw in a pick to get them.

 

[AvonCavsFan]

best rebiuld plan ever:1. tank out to get harrison barnes
2.trade mo and powe for Iggy
3.get yao ming next summer via sign and trade with rockets(Anderson V. and 1st round draft pick 2014.

pg: Sessions, gibson

sg: Iggy, danny green

sf: Barnes, eneyga

pf: hickson, sameals/jawad

c:yao, hollins

not the best bench, but a 60+ win starting five.

Mo would be a better PG with this starting 5 than Sessions, since we would need at least one guy on the floor that can hit a three (don't know if Barnes can or not??)

 

[Oreos]

best rebiuld plan ever:1. tank out to get harrison barnes
2.trade mo and powe for Iggy
3.get yao ming next summer via sign and trade with rockets(Anderson V. and 1st round draft pick 2014.

pg: Sessions, gibson

sg: Iggy, danny green

sf: Barnes, eneyga

pf: hickson, sameals/jawad

c:yao, hollins

not the best bench, but a 60+ win starting five.

If Yao is able to play he will be playing for the Rockets. Honestly, after watching the before and after of Z's surgeries, I really don't want any part of Yao on this team.

 

[io35]

Mo would be a better PG with this starting 5 than Sessions, since we would need at least one guy on the floor that can hit a three (don't know if Barnes can or not??)

best rebiuld plan ever:1. tank out to get harrison barnes
2.trade mo and powe for Iggy
3.get yao ming next summer via sign and trade with rockets(Anderson V. and 1st round draft pick 2014.

pg: Sessions, gibson

sg: Iggy, danny green

sf: Barnes, eneyga

pf: hickson, sameals/jawad

c:yao, hollins

not the best bench, but a 60+ win starting five.

you're probably right. so a better idea would be to keep mo at shooting guard.( harrison barnes is preety good at threes)

 

[OptimusPrime]

If we can find a bad team in financial trouble who will give us an unprotected 1st round pick to take back an awful contract with our TPE, then I would do it in a second. It isn't going to happen though.

 

[*L-Train*]

If we can find a bad team in financial trouble who will give us an unprotected 1st round pick to take back an awful contract with our TPE, then I would do it in a second. It isn't going to happen though.

in a perfect world we find robert sarver 2 who gives us 2 first round picks if we take on a contract like kurt thomas (~8mio)

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

The market for the traded player exception will not open up until deadline time. We can't start spending it on garbage like the 28th pick and eating Vujacic's 5.4 million dollars.

Here's what you have to do, you have to wait until after December 15th and then the market really opens up. This summers' free agents and new players added to teams this summer officially can be dealt, meaning probably 50-100 new players go on the market instantly.

Plus, once you get closer to the deadline, you start to see under-performing teams bleeding money with awful contracts. When you can instantly save them from the luxury tax or instantly save them from a bad mistake, you can extract more in return.


The right thing to do with the TPE now is to be clear about your intentions and let teams know that you are willing to eat bad contracts for the right price. Position yourself to be the team that does that.

I think we have a potential godfather offer for New Orleans. We eat Okafor's contract dead-on, they pay with two future unprotected firsts(2013, 2015) and Darren Collison. But that's just pure opinion at the moment.

 

[Snowblind]

The market for the traded player exception will not open up until deadline time. We can't start spending it on garbage like the 28th pick and eating Vujacic's 5.4 million dollars.

Here's what you have to do, you have to wait until after December 15th and then the market really opens up. This summers' free agents and new players added to teams this summer officially can be dealt, meaning probably 50-100 new players go on the market instantly.

Plus, once you get closer to the deadline, you start to see under-performing teams bleeding money with awful contracts. When you can instantly save them from the luxury tax or instantly save them from a bad mistake, you can extract more in return.


The right thing to do with the TPE now is to be clear about your intentions and let teams know that you are willing to eat bad contracts for the right price. Position yourself to be the team that does that.

I think we have a potential godfather offer for New Orleans. We eat Okafor's contract dead-on, they pay with two future unprotected firsts(2013, 2015) and Darren Collison. But that's just pure opinion at the moment.

I highly doubt they would do that. Its either the picks or Collison, not both. With their new coach and gm, I bet they try to compete with CP3 now.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I highly doubt they would do that. Its either the picks or Collison, not both. With their new coach and gm, I bet they try to compete with CP3 now.

That's the point, take away assets that do little to nothing for them as far as competing now goes.

Chris Paul doesn't care about their 2013 or 2015 picks, he won't even be there. Collison is Chris Paul's back-up, he can be easily moved.

They add a big TPE of their own and a lot of financial flexibility to be able to make moves that actually let them compete now.

That's the reason I think it might be possible, because it doesn't hinder them from competing now, saves them a boatload of money, and opens up flexibility to give them a better chance at competing now.