Trade the 4th pick for...?

[RDriesen]

Re: Cavs wanna trade down from #4?

I have no problem with this. I like Brooks, Thompson, and Singleton more than most of the guys who will go in the top 10.

 

[Spectre]

Re: Cavs wanna trade down from #4?

The only trade I want to see of the #4 pick is either up to #2 or for a 2012 pick. Trading out of the Top 5 in the NBA is flat out dumb, especially in a draft as wafer thin as this one.

 

[Bohemond]

Re: Cavs wanna trade down from #4?

The only trade I want to see of the #4 pick is either up to #2 or for a 2012 pick. Trading out of the Top 5 in the NBA is flat out dumb, especially in a draft as wafer thin as this one.

Its only thin in star talent. Realistically this draft has solid depth.

 

["MVP"]

chadfordinsider Chad Ford
Brandon Knight worked out alone in Sacramento today. They love him. No way he's there at 7. Kemba vs. Jimmer next week in Sacramento.
9 minutes ago

Hmmm... Could be a trade option here if Utah goes with Kanter over Knight. I wonder if the Cavs have any interest in Hassan Whiteside, Marcus Thornton, or Omri Casspi in addition to just flopping picks.

 

[Zone]

This was posted in the Monte Ellis thread, thought it'd be interesting discussion in this thread as well:

Hey.

Have you guys seen this from slcdunk.com (Jazz blog):

"I am not sure that Al Jefferson is who the Cleveland Cavaliers were hoping for, but the Cavs are a perfect trading partner for the Jazz from Utah's end...The problem is that I don't know if the Cavs want Al Jefferson. ...what if the Jazz prefer Brandon Knight, but don't make that known to Cleveland? They could trade Al Jefferson and the 3rd pick to the Cavs for their trade exception, the 4th pick and another asset, maybe the 32nd and 54th picks in 2011 or a second round pick in 2012. The Jazz can then take their preferred player all along in Knight, dump Jefferson's contract and acquire more picks."

anyone interested in Al Jefferson?

Utah is an interesting team because they can be looked at as a team to trade up with ... or trade down with since they also own the 12th pick this year. They also own that 2012 protected pick from GSW that I'd like to get my hands on
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http://portlandtribune.com/sports/story.php?story_id=130706967830991500

The Trail Blazers, who own the 21st pick, are looking to move up in the June 24 draft.

According to a league source, Portland would like to get into the top seven to be in position to take Connecticut point guard Kemba Walker. That might mean packaging veteran point guard Andre Miller and the No. 21 pick for another team’s player along with a top-seven pick.

Acting general manager Chad Buchanan was noncommital on the report.

“Any possible avenue that will improve our team – moving up in the draft, a trade, whatever – we will consider,” Buchanan said.

Looks like the Blazers could be interested in moving up for Walker, but I'm not sure that Miller and #21 gets me excited. They also aren't very flexible in trading future #1's, as they owe one to CHA from the Wallace trade. Still have some nice perimeter prospects like Batum, Williams, and Babbit ... and the Miller contract isn't guaranteed for 2011-12 if waived before the lockout
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http://www.charlotteobserver.com/2011/06/03/2346261/silas-trade-up-in-draft-only-for.html

Charlotte Bobcats coach Paul Silas is glad his front office is investigating ways to move up in the June 23 NBA draft.

Still, Silas has misgivings about converting picks Nos. 9 and 19 into one higher pick unless they're sure that one player would have big impact.

"We've talked about moving up. My point is that if we do move up, that guy has to be a star kind of player," Silas said following the Bobcats' first pre-draft workout Thursday. "I think we'll get two real quality players here, to build on what we've established already."

Silas said he'd favor trading up "if the guy is someone we think can really help us. But he has to potentially be better than what we have now. And looking at this draft, I'm not quite sure that guy is there. If he is, then we'll certainly look at it."

The general consensus on this draft is it's short on star power, but relatively deep. Duke guard Kyrie Irving and Arizona forward Derrick Williams are expected to be the top two picks. While both are projected as solid pros, neither is expected to have the impact of recent high picks Derrick Rose of Chicago or Kevin Durant of Oklahoma City.

Silas, in his first season as Bobcats coach, was asked how the team's needs would blend with their draft decisions. For instance, this draft is strongest at power forward, and that's a position where the Bobcats already have abundant players.

"Absolutely, we want to draft the best player available," Silas described. "Now, if everything is equal, then certainly you wouldn't draft a four. But if the guy clearly is better than the rest of the people in that draft spot, then you'd take him.

"We really want some 3-point shooters - that's huge for us. If we had a backup point, as well as a great shooter, that's one of our basic needs."

The Bobcats contingent watching workouts Thursday included owner Michael Jordan. Silas was asked how hands-on Jordan is, in addressing draft decisions.

"Rod (Higgins, the general manager) and I will make the final decisions, I think, but he certainly has input," Silas said of Jordan. "If we come up with somebody he doesn't necessarily care for, he lets us know. But the (final) decision will be ours."

First bolded point might slow down the 9 & 19 for #4 chatter. If they were going to do that, they'd probably want a back-up PG (2nd bolded point) like Sessions included.

 

[aldashex86]

I don't believe this has been discussed yet. But, Josh Smith could be an option to trade for. Atlanta is rumored to want to move him and possibly even want to include Heinrich to sweeten the deal (expiring contract).

I am not sure of his contract details and can't find them anywhere but, I do remember hearing a few years ago (when we were trying to trade for Shaq) that he had a trade kicker of 6 mil. Not sure if that is still the case or not but, if it is then, that is probably a deal breaker. IMO J-Smoove-esque is probably Derrick Williams' ceiling, or close to it. I know Heinrich is not needed either but, another expiring contract with Jamison can be useful with a very nice draft coming next year.

Something like our TPE for Josh and our 4th for Heinrich and any fillers. Since it would probably have to be 2 different trades. This could also give us an avenue to deal Sessions if ATL is interested. Maybe I am stretching a little too far now, haha. Thoughts??

 

[OptimusPrime]

No.

 

[caf]

I don't believe this has been discussed yet. But, Josh Smith could be an option to trade for. Atlanta is rumored to want to move him and possibly even want to include Heinrich to sweeten the deal (expiring contract).

I am not sure of his contract details and can't find them anywhere but, I do remember hearing a few years ago (when we were trying to trade for Shaq) that he had a trade kicker of 6 mil. Not sure if that is still the case or not but, if it is then, that is probably a deal breaker. IMO J-Smoove-esque is probably Derrick Williams' ceiling, or close to it. I know Heinrich is not needed either but, another expiring contract with Jamison can be useful with a very nice draft coming next year.

Something like our TPE for Josh and our 4th for Heinrich and any fillers. Since it would probably have to be 2 different trades. This could also give us an avenue to deal Sessions if ATL is interested. Maybe I am stretching a little too far now, haha. Thoughts??

I just cant see this team giving up assets to put us in a financial lock especially with the new CBA coming. Sure they add talent to our roster, but we want to get younger and cheaper, not older and more expensive. I just don't see anyway we give up the 4th pick unless its in a deal for another pick. It just makes no sense. What the Cavs need now is flexiblity, and what you brought up would handcuff this team for years without any franchise player. Not a way this organization wants to go.

 

[aldashex86]

I just cant see this team giving up assets to put us in a financial lock especially with the new CBA coming. Sure they add talent to our roster, but we want to get younger and cheaper, not older and more expensive. I just don't see anyway we give up the 4th pick unless its in a deal for another pick. It just makes no sense. What the Cavs need now is flexiblity, and what you brought up would handcuff this team for years without any franchise player. Not a way this organization wants to go.

I tried out a few scenarios on the Trade Machine and seen that Varejao and Sessions for Smith would work. Unsure if Atl would do that, I know they want a true Center so Horford can play the 4 but, that would make us younger and keep #4 and the TPE. This would make ATL's starting lineup Sessions, Johnson, Williams, Horford, and Varejao (assuming they trade Heinrich). Obviously in this scenario we would draft Kanter or another Big man to replace Wild thing.

 

[Maximus]

I wouldn't read to much into this 'report'. Look, the Cavs(or any team) doesn't show up on draft night without multiple plans in place...because the draft doesn't always go your way. Any GM will have his 1st, 2nd or 3rd choice narrowed down for his draft position(s) on draft night. If the guys they want aren't there, then they better have a trade or two in place with a team(s) who wants that spot.

JUST AS AN EXAMPLE, let's say the Cavs only consider Kyrie, Williams and Kanter worthy of a top 4 pick...and no one else. They are going to have a plan in the place in the event those 3 guys are gone by the time the 4th pick rolls around.

They've also probably talked to a team or two that's willing to unload a pick in the teens for $3M. So if a player Grant REALLY likes happens to slip, he can call one of those teams and buy their pick. If none of the people Grant likes fall, then the deal doesn't get consummated.

My point is, the fact that the Cavs are reportedly "trying to acquire a 10-19" pick doesn't mean we are trying to trade down BEFORE the draft. The fact that the Cavs are calling teams in the teens means one of a few things in my opinion. First, we are calling every team to see which teams, if any, are willing to sell their pick if someone we like falls. Second, if no one is willing to sell, what would we need to trade to various teams to get a pick in the teens, if someone we like falls. Third, if the first 3 picks don't go our way, maybe we do trade out of the 4th. That's again, assuming we only think there are 3 people worthy of a top 4 pick....but maybe we like 4 guys.

Bottom line is this, Grant is studying the other teams to see what's available for the Cavs and what it would cost. If someone blows us away with an offer, I'm sure they would consider trading out of the 4 before the draft. If not, he wants as many options available for us come draft night as possible. We have two high picks...so Grant has more on the line than any other GM. He will have options. We have some assets people want in the form of great picks, the TPE and players. What Grant parlays them into remains to be seen. Right now, he's just doing his homework, creating opportunities and contingency plans.

I think jumping to the conclusion that we are trying to trade down right now is wildly premature...just my opinion.

 

[Simon]

Chad Ford: Cavs Could Consider Moving the #4 pick For A Youngish Vet (more in thread)

This is from Chad Ford's chat today........(sorry if posted already)

Tom (Cleveland)

Does it look more and more like the Cavs are going to take Irving and Kanter at 1 and 4, Chad?

Chad Ford (1:16 PM)

Nothing has really changed. Irving in the lead for the No. 1 pick. No. 4 pick is pretty open. I still have them taking Kanter in my mock, but Jan Vesely, Jonas Valanciunas and Kawhi Leonard are all possibilities. So is the idea of trading the No. 4 pick. I've had several teams tell me that the Cavs have told them they'd consider moving No. 4 if they got a youngish veteran in return. Just not sure the No. 4 pick has enormous value in this draft.

Link to chat: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/38793
Again, sorry if posted somewhere else. I just thought is was interesting.

 

[bigjmac0815]

Re: Chad Ford: Cavs Could Consider Moving the #4 pick For A Youngish Vet (more in thr

Hypothetically, does this mean Igoudala or Rudy Gay?

 

[TheISHT]

Re: Chad Ford: Cavs Could Consider Moving the #4 pick For A Youngish Vet (more in thr

Nope because Gay or Iggy could be had for the TPE only because there overpaid. If they were on their rookie contracts or paid quite a bit less they'd have hell of a lot more value.

 

[bigjmac0815]

Re: Chad Ford: Cavs Could Consider Moving the #4 pick For A Youngish Vet (more in thr

Nope because Gay or Iggy could be had for the TPE only because there overpaid. If they were on their rookie contracts or paid quite a bit less they'd have hell of a lot more value.

So then, who could we potentially get with the #4 that's young and a vet

 

[TheISHT]

Re: Chad Ford: Cavs Could Consider Moving the #4 pick For A Youngish Vet (more in thr

This is from Chad Ford's chat today........(sorry if posted already)




Link to chat: http://espn.go.com/sportsnation/chat/_/id/38793
Again, sorry if posted somewhere else. I just thought is was interesting.

It was already posted.

http://realcavsfans.com/showthread....ons-Pistons-Wolves-Cavs&p=1146053#post1146053

Does this really warrant it's own thread? It's in the trade discussions thread.