Trading Tristan?

[The Process God]

His game has been steady over the past month.

You can see the games where he will have trouble getting his awkward game to work. The OKC was trouble before it started for him because of their variety of BIGS and their commitment to sacrificing as a team on D to get stops. Not to mention Ibaka is just a quicker jumper than he is and can nullify the quick release that TT uses to get off the hooks and push shots, and then Perkins/Collison are good positional guys who work to nullify bigs with quickness moving around the painrt with the ball.

All of that said, his development is crazy since working with Z.

I cant help but lick my chops now watching Nerlens Noel and dreaming we can use assets to get him in Z's Big Man Offensive Camp:101

Hell... Ive even warmed up again to the idea of Len since watching Tristan over the past few weeks.

(insert this next thought for consistency)

If it takes Tristan being a chip to get ahold of Noel or Len, as a result of us playing ourselves into the rear of the lottery, I do it still.

Despite him showing progress and effectiveness, his awkwardness is still there and still lends itself to him having trouble with the right kind of defenders/the wrong frontcourt teammate taking up space.

If we ever did happen to trade Tristan plus something else just to get a pick that we could have had to begin with pretty easily just by losing a couple more games, then that would be asinine. Just completely stupid.

I really hope that's not going to be the case. Also, Tristan's probably been averaging pretty close to a 20 PER over the past month to six weeks, and I suspect that it will only go up from there. It is only his second season as well. I think it would be jumping the gun to trade him along with, say, out own 2013 pick for an unproven player just because he plays center. Tristan is looking like a future all-star right now.

I just don't even want to consider not having a top five pick. If we do have to trade up, I'd rather use some of our other picks rather than someone like Tristan. There's just no reason to move a power forward who has a high chance of being a future all-star.

And Len is definitely not worth trading for if it involves Tristan. Just flat out. Just because he can walk and chew gum at the same time and plays center does it make him a more valuable player than a player like Tristan. You can take it to the bank that the FO certainly wouldn't do that type of trade.

You and your obsession with getting a center at any cost is ridiculous. :chuckles:

 

[ajz20]

Re: Tristan Thompson

His game has been steady over the past month.

You can see the games where he will have trouble getting his awkward game to work. The OKC was trouble before it started for him because of their variety of BIGS and their commitment to sacrificing as a team on D to get stops. Not to mention Ibaka is just a quicker jumper than he is and can nullify the quick release that TT uses to get off the hooks and push shots, and then Perkins/Collison are good positional guys who work to nullify bigs with quickness moving around the painrt with the ball.

All of that said, his development is crazy since working with Z.

I cant help but lick my chops now watching Nerlens Noel and dreaming we can use assets to get him in Z's Big Man Offensive Camp:101

Hell... Ive even warmed up again to the idea of Len since watching Tristan over the past few weeks.

(insert this next thought for consistency)

If it takes Tristan being a chip to get ahold of Noel or Len, as a result of us playing ourselves into the rear of the lottery, I do it still.

Despite him showing progress and effectiveness, his awkwardness is still there and still lends itself to him having trouble with the right kind of defenders/the wrong frontcourt teammate taking up space.

If we trade TT it better be part of a package to get Love or LA from the Blazers. No way I would do it for Noel. I think some of you are rushing to crown Noel a bit fast. I would still prefer Len over Noel. We have spent two years developing TT, and this is not 2014 so there is now way I would trade TT to move up3 or4 spots. This draft is not strong enough for Grant to even consider doing so.

 

[KI4MVP]

Re: Tristan Thompson

The Cavs aren't trading Tristan. Right now he's as untouchable as Kyrie.

 

[Ohio]

Re: Tristan Thompson

The Cavs aren't trading Tristan. Right now he's as untouchable as Kyrie.

I wouldn't go that far...

But I hear ya. Tristan is not going anywhere unless we get a perennial all-star in return.

 

[theSTEREO.]

Re: Tristan Thompson

The Cavs aren't trading Tristan. Right now he's as untouchable as Kyrie.

I wouldn't say he's as untouchable as Kyrie. That's a little crazy.

But his asking price has definitely shot up.

 

[mAo_mAo]

Re: Tristan Thompson

We probably have in our hands one of the expensive commodities in the league (a big who can defend and create his own shot) and we want to trade him? No. Please, no.

 

[Pioneer10]

Re: Tristan Thompson

I wouldn't say he's as untouchable as Kyrie. That's a little crazy.

But his asking price has definitely shot up.

You don't want to overprice roleplayers but Tristan's asking price is going to be so steep that he may as well be untouchable. The type of assets the Cavs would want back for him at this stage would have to be true stars.

What other young bigs would the Cavs not blink in trading Tristan for (I'm only including youngs because I think the Cavs wouldn't even think about trading for a Bosh or Garnett. I also don't see any interest from the Cavs perspective for trading TT for a wing type)?
-Griffin
-Anthony Davis
-Love (considering his injuries and contract: not sure about this one but the Cavs would at least take the call)

That's about all I could come up with: any others? Potential, Recent Performance, Defense, rebounding, rookie contract, plus ability to score with hooks inside is an extremely valuable commodity

 

[Dr. Gymbo]

Re: Tristan Thompson

You don't want to overprice roleplayers but Tristan's asking price is going to be so steep that he may as well be untouchable. The type of assets the Cavs would want back for him at this stage would have to be true stars.

What other young bigs would the Cavs not blink in trading Tristan for (I'm only including youngs because I think the Cavs wouldn't even think about trading for a Bosh or Garnett. I also don't see any interest from the Cavs perspective for trading TT for a wing type)?
-Griffin
-Anthony Davis
-Love

That's about all I could come up with: any others? Potential, Recent Performance, Defense, rebounding, rookie contract, plus ability to score with hooks inside is an extremely valuable commodity

I agree here. I'd still trade Tristan for Kevin Love. I think that Love and Varejao together could be ridiculous.

 

[BigErieCavsFan]

Re: Tristan Thompson

You don't want to overprice roleplayers but Tristan's asking price is going to be so steep that he may as well be untouchable. The type of assets the Cavs would want back for him at this stage would have to be true stars.

What other young bigs would the Cavs not blink in trading Tristan for (I'm only including youngs because I think the Cavs wouldn't even think about trading for a Bosh or Garnett. I also don't see any interest from the Cavs perspective for trading TT for a wing type)?
-Griffin
-Anthony Davis
-Love (considering his injuries and contract: not sure about this one but the Cavs would at least take the call)

That's about all I could come up with: any others? Potential, Recent Performance, Defense, rebounding, rookie contract, plus ability to score with hooks inside is an extremely valuable commodity

-Holford

 

[Giambiwannabe7]

Re: Tristan Thompson

I agree here. I'd still trade Tristan for Kevin Love. I think that Love and Varejao together could be ridiculous.

Basing any argument of a scenario that revolves around Andy is playing with fire. Huge risk. Russian roulette style.

 

[chrisrich91]

Re: Tristan Thompson

-Horford

While it sounds crazy, I think a deal for Horford containing TT would be tricky. There's a lot of money tied up in Al Horford...we might ask for a pick back from Atlanta in a deal like that.

Tristan's value has absolutely skyrocketed. If I would have suggested the above at the beginning of the season, I would have been laughed at. But the fact of the matter is, Atlanta would be getting a sophomore big averaging about 15 and 10 for the past month and a half as one of the only talents on his team (aka defenses pay attention to him), at a ridiculous low cost because of his rookie deal. We'd be taking on a 5 year older Horford who is getting paid a nice chunk of change. I would assume Grant would want a pick attached in that kind of deal...but I also assume Grant would rather hold on to TT than trade him for Big Al.

 

[MNCavsfan]

Re: Tristan Thompson

You don't want to overprice roleplayers but Tristan's asking price is going to be so steep that he may as well be untouchable. The type of assets the Cavs would want back for him at this stage would have to be true stars.

What other young bigs would the Cavs not blink in trading Tristan for (I'm only including youngs because I think the Cavs wouldn't even think about trading for a Bosh or Garnett. I also don't see any interest from the Cavs perspective for trading TT for a wing type)?
-Griffin
-Anthony Davis
-Love (considering his injuries and contract: not sure about this one but the Cavs would at least take the call)

That's about all I could come up with: any others? Potential, Recent Performance, Defense, rebounding, rookie contract, plus ability to score with hooks inside is an extremely valuable commodity

You might blink with Kevin Love. The guy is amazing when he plays, but he is always injured. You might also blink with Davis. At this point, Davis is clearly the worse player. His cieling may be higher, but with Tristan's work effort and the improvements he has already shown you have to think that he will reach his highest potential.

I'm not saying you don't make either of those trades, but I am saying they aren't as clear cut as you are implying. If you look at the young PFs in the league that are going to make up the future crop of stars at the position, Thompson looks really good. He is a great defender (the best of the leagues young PFs), he is a great rebounders (already top 5 among PFs), and he is a solid offensive player (top 15 in scoring among PFs). Plus, he is making great leaps on offense. It is hard to imagine trading him unless you get an awful lot back because he looks like a soon-to-be star who is a shut down defender without injury problems. That is a championship piece and you don't give that up unless you are sure you're getting a championship piece back.

 

[Pioneer10]

Re: Tristan Thompson

-Holford

No way I trade Tristan for Horford. While Horford is a good big he is a borderline All-star player and not a true star downlow.
Career PER of 18.1, Playoff PER of 17.5 on a 12 million a year deal

In comparison Tristan PER since AV has gone down has been at or above that mark and he is on a rookie contract. Guys like Love and Griffin, on the other hand, put up huge numbers: their in a different ballpark then Horford and that is only the folks I see the Cavs would consider

 

[Pioneer10]

Re: Tristan Thompson

You might blink with Kevin Love. The guy is amazing when he plays, but he is always injured. You might also blink with Davis. At this point, Davis is clearly the worse player. His cieling may be higher, but with Tristan's work effort and the improvements he has already shown you have to think that he will reach his highest potential.

I'm not saying you don't make either of those trades, but I am saying they aren't as clear cut as you are implying. If you look at the young PFs in the league that are going to make up the future crop of stars at the position, Thompson looks really good. He is a great defender (the best of the leagues young PFs), he is a great rebounders (already top 5 among PFs), and he is a solid offensive player (top 15 in scoring among PFs). Plus, he is making great leaps on offense. It is hard to imagine trading him unless you get an awful lot back because he looks like a soon-to-be star who is a shut down defender without injury problems. That is a championship piece and you don't give that up unless you are sure you're getting a championship piece back.

I stated I might blink with Love in my edited post which you quoted.

considering his injuries and contract: not sure about this one but the Cavs would at least take the call)

Davis on the other hand I would trade for in a heartbeat: He's got a better PER, better TS%, better rebound rate then thompson plus he's longer and younger

 

[Jack Brickman]

Re: Tristan Thompson

I agree here. I'd still trade Tristan for Kevin Love. I think that Love and Varejao together could be ridiculous.

That would be the best frontcourt in the game for about 25 games a year.