Tristan Thompson: Initial Thoughts

[Green Lantern]

I would hope it's 4 or 5 too, but who do you think is going to be the 1st scapegoat if things aren't looking up midway thru the 3rd year? Scott or Grant?

I know it will depend on exactly why things aren't improving. But if it looks like it is because we made some bad choices in drafting or trading, I would have to say Grant.

If Grant has aquired above average skilled talent (along with competent BB IQ's) in years 3,we should see noticable improvement and a huge upswing from where the Cavs are at.
We see it in other teams like Portland/OC/NO etc; if he hasn't we'll know .If he has merely received average/below average players we'll know where to point the finger.
It was every easy to look at Paxson and see the failures he made ..same with Ferry but he was also able to bring in talent that kept the success going. It complimented that person who left.

 

[Jon]

I would hope it's 4 or 5 too, but who do you think is going to be the 1st scapegoat if things aren't looking up midway thru the 3rd year? Scott or Grant?

I know it will depend on exactly why things aren't improving. But if it looks like it is because we made some bad choices in drafting or trading, I would have to say Grant.

Probably one or the other will quit. The pattern with this club is that when things don't go according to plan that GM starts meddling with the Coach, and if that doesn't work - then the owner starts meddling with the GM.

So unless there's a political shift where in Gilbert's eyes Scott is seen as the sage proven guy, and Grant as the inexperienced GM over his head - I'd expect Scott to to quit first.

 

[Lee]

I think one of the biggest problems people have the the TT pick is that it was a #4 pick. Thing that we most know that this was a very weak draft. Just think like this, the #4 pick was equivlent of a #12 pick in many drafts. So getting TT with a 12 pick is not so bad.

 

[BuddyCowley]

I think one of the biggest problems people have the the TT pick is that it was a #4 pick. Thing that we most know that this was a very weak draft. Just think like this, the #4 pick was equivlent of a #12 pick in many drafts. So getting TT with a 12 pick is not so bad.

That and so many people are deep-throating Jonas so hard their eyes are pressed against his abdomen and can't see a damn thing.

Carry that image around with you for the rest of the day.

 

[Lee]

That and so many people are deep-throating Jonas so hard their eyes are pressed against his abdomen and can't see a damn thing.

Carry that image around with you for the rest of the day.

No thanks, my hard on was for Kanter. :chuckles:

 

[Douglar]

I think one of the biggest problems people have the the TT pick is that it was a #4 pick. Thing that we most know that this was a very weak draft. Just think like this, the #4 pick was equivlent of a #12 pick in many drafts. So getting TT with a 12 pick is not so bad.

I think the problem that most people had with the TT pick fell into these three categories:
1) You draft scoring, since it's hard to get well rounded scorers through free agency or trades. TT isn't a go-to scorer.
2) You draft for size, since it's also hard to get that through free agency or trades. TT seems undersized for his position if you don't look at his reach and vertical jump.
3) People were expecting a player with All star potential at #4. TT looks like a nice role player who was expected to go in the mid teens in a weak draft as recently as two weeks before the draft.

 

[Green Lantern]

I think the problem that most people had with the TT pick fell into these three categories:
1) You draft scoring, since it's hard to get well rounded scorers through free agency or trades. TT isn't a go-to scorer.
2) You draft for size, since it's also hard to get that through free agency or trades. TT seems undersized for his position if you don't look at his reach and vertical jump.
3) People were expecting a player with All star potential at #4. TT looks like a nice role player who was expected to go in the mid teens in a weak draft as recently as two weeks before the draft.

Number 4)-Most were expecting a center at #4 . Since we really don't have a fulltime starter .Not to discount what you are saying but even I expected them to pull the trigger on Jonas if they knew specifics about his buyout.

 

[Lumthemad]

I think the problem that most people had with the TT pick fell into these three categories:
1) You draft scoring, since it's hard to get well rounded scorers through free agency or trades. TT isn't a go-to scorer.
2) You draft for size, since it's also hard to get that through free agency or trades. TT seems undersized for his position if you don't look at his reach and vertical jump.
3) People were expecting a player with All star potential at #4. TT looks like a nice role player who was expected to go in the mid teens in a weak draft as recently as two weeks before the draft.

I think point 3 is one of the biggest obstacles folks are dealing with in regards to the pick. That and the fact many fans wanted either Kanter or Jonas and when Jonas was there, we didn't take him. Per the Cavs, it sounds like they would've taken Thompson if Kanter was still there as well. (according to Grant) I was mentally prepared for us to do basically anything with that pick because with it being a weaker draft all the players after 1 and 2 could basically be taken on needs and desires of teams. I still go with the philosophy of there was something they didn't dig about Jonas and something they LOVED about Thompson that made them want to take a PF over a C. In situations such as these, if those players were close, the Cavs may've chosen Thompson based on a slightly better attitude and quickness of growth concept.

 

[Green Lantern]

Per the Cavs, it sounds like they would've taken Thompson if Kanter was still there as well. (according to Grant)

Grant would like people to think that.But I feel (and Scott tipped us off) if Kanter was there ,Grant would have selected him and then hoped to get a tradedown to get Thompson also.

 

[Lee]

Grant would like people to think that.But I feel (and Scott tipped us off) if Kanter was there ,Grant would have selected him and then hoped to get a tradedown to get Thompson also.

Trade down from where? The 32nd pick? If we pick Kanter 4, that is it. No more 1st rounders.

 

[MYoung23]

Trade down from where? The 32nd pick? If we pick Kanter 4, that is it. No more 1st rounders.

The Cavaliers could always use protected first rounders they're likely never to get.

 

[RchfldCavRaised]

The Cavaliers could always use protected first rounders they're likely never to get.

Do I see another Grant dissenter amongst us?

Get him guys

 

[tedginnjr]

The Cavaliers could always use protected first rounders they're likely never to get.

 

[Jon]

Grant would like people to think that.But I feel (and Scott tipped us off) if Kanter was there ,Grant would have selected him and then hoped to get a tradedown to get Thompson also.

If Kanter was there I think we would have taken him. Then if TT was still on the board when Washington or Charlotte were picking, I think we'd give them a call and asked if they wanted to swap their two picks for Enes.

If we had pulled that off, I think there's a lot less grumbling.

Heck, following that pipe dream to its ultimate fantasy we might have ended up with Jonas AND Tristan ... but gee, go figure ... the mock draft gurus who were expecting Utah to take a PG, or that Jonas might slip all the way to 10 due to his buyout situation ... blew it.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

The Cavaliers could always use protected first rounders they're likely never to get.

The only issue I see here is saying that they're "likely" to never get the pick.

In reality, it'd be a pretty incredible streak of failure by Sacramento for us to not get the pick. Possible? I suppose. Likely? Come on now....