Tyronn Lue has been fired

[czvo]

You're gonna disrespect the opponent and the game? You can stay in until you decide to take it seriously.

In the meantime enjoy that ass whoopin.

I wonder if that's Lue's mindset here.

Honestly, LeBron has been so bad, that he should just bench him. The team might actually perform better, LeBron plays fewer minutes, and the message gets hammered over his head.

 

[Ohio]

Honestly, LeBron has been so bad, that he should just bench him. The team might actually perform better, LeBron plays fewer minutes, and the message gets hammered over his head.

I agree this would be a better approach.

If he comes out careless again next game, bench him immediately for the rest of the quarter. Rinse and repeat until he gets it.

We both know that won't happen though.

 

[Adam]

Its clear Lue and the cavs really dont GAF right now. Its a shame as bad habits are forming. I'll save judgement until after the all star weekend but they will need to start playing some defense then or the playoffs will be a nasty suprise. Might need to go bowling or something

 

[Real Deal]

Its clear Lue and the cavs really dont GAF right now. Its a shame as bad habits are forming. I'll save judgement until after the all star weekend but they will need to start playing some defense then or the playoffs will be a nasty suprise. Might need to go bowling or something

If they truly don't give a fuck, then we shouldn't.

Their defense is so bad it HAS to be a joke they're playing with the league.

So obviously they don't care about seasonal records or even home court advantage. I know LeBron cares about stats. Hell, he stayed in the game vs PHX to try for a late rebound.

It is a disappointment, it robs us from good fun of watching games. Instead we're usually pissed and talking stupid knowing this team is just coasting like usual.

Bad loss vs NOR though, man was that one of the worst Cavaliers games I've watched in the LeBron 2.0 era.

 

[Cavatt]

Time for Lue to pack his bags

 

[Stark]

I know he was our coach when we won a championship and all of that, but if I'm going to be perfectly honest, I am not all that impressed with Ty Lue.

Some nights he looks like the second best coach in the NBA (nobody on their best night can hold Pop's jock-strap). Other nights he looks like he should be coaching a boy's 6th grade team.

He runs some of the worst rotations I have ever seen out of a head coach. Rotations that would make Byron Scott blush. Part of being a great coach is putting your players in a position to succeed while also looking ahead to when the games really matter.

44 minutes for LeBron James last night, who is also tied for third in the entire NBA in minutes per game? Are you actually fucking kidding me? The guy just turned 32 today and unless it is a blowout when we luck out and are playing the shitty Nets or the Suns on a given night, Lue cannot find a way to keep him under 40 minutes the majority of the time.

LeBron has played 40 or more minutes in three of his last five games played. It's fucking DECEMBER. These games are pointless. We're going to make the playoffs. We're going to steamroll the Eastern Conference if we stay healthy. We might not stay healthy if Lue keeps running our best player into the ground night after night to try to etch out a win in a game that will be MEANINGLESS come April 15th.

I know our team isn't that deep, especially with JR and Birdman out, but come on. We were up 99-79 at one point last night, and we still needed LeBron and Kyrie to play 44 and 42 minutes to win the God damn game? You can't get more playing time in there for Dunleavy? Who cares if we ultimately lose the game on December 29th? Liggins only played 20 minutes and he was fantastic on defense last night and he has next to no mileage on his legs.

Not going to sit here and rant about rotations all day, but Lue is a pretty damn bad coach at managing them. LeBron and Kyrie should be playing eight minutes per quarter at the most. If Lue cannot find rotations to compliment the time when they are off the floor, then maybe he's not that damn good of a coach. I'd love to see what this team would be capable of if we had Popovich. He turns 12th men into solid 8-12 minute per night guys. We're winning a lot of games because we have LeBron James, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love, and Tristan Thompson playing (a lot of minutes) every night. We're not winning because Lue is some kind of coaching mastermind.

Bump.

 

[buzzdog]

I just have to believe that Lue has an ulterior motive in how he's managing the minutes. I have to believe he's sending a message to the big 3.

What is the message? It's an open question. Just to spitball a few possibilities;

Maybe the message is, if you fuck off playing defense you're going to lose games no matter how big of a star you are in the league.

If you don't get back on fast breaks, if you don't communicate on the defensive end, if you don't help one another, if you just keep letting your man blow past you? You're going to lose the game no matter how many minutes you play, no matter how many points you score.

Maybe the message is, quit fucking off all game long allowing teams to score at will, thinking you're such big stars you can always make a comeback in the 4th period. Because guess what, you've been falling short.

Maybe the message is, if you want to play less minutes and expend less energy over the course of the game, then play the fuck harder in the first 2 quarters and put opponents away in the 3rd quarter.

I mean really, maybe the message is just as simple as, play some fucking defense from the opening whistle and you won't find yourself 20 points behind at halftime with a big hole to climb out of?

If losing to the Pelicans without AD doesn't drive this point home, what will?

Me being the eternal optimist, I can put a silver lining on this and say, maybe this is what a cocky, slightly lazy, somewhat overconfident team needs at this moment of the season? If the team reacts correctly and pulls together properly this could be just what they needed to re-adjust their attitudes for the second half.

They have a huge hill to climb to get where they need to be in preparation for the post season. They're going to have to get started pretty quick after the AS break.

Best case scenario, this will be cathartic, cause some soul searching and some moments for players to come together and figure shit out. Without embarrassing losses maybe those things never happen and they glide into the post season being lazy on defense and over confident in general.

 

[Frank Reynolds]

Me being the eternal optimist, I can put a silver lining on this and say, maybe this is what a cocky, slightly lazy, somewhat overconfident team needs at this moment of the season? If the team reacts correctly and pulls together properly this could be just what they needed to re-adjust their attitudes for the second half.

I agree with this, but it seems like our team responds for one game, then immediately goes back in the shitter very soon thereafter. I really think we got fat off the championship.

It's blatantly obvious that LeBron is playing at 75%. In some ways it is amazing he's got that sort of control to be able to pull something like that off, and then turn on the jets in the postseason.

I'm trying to remember that and keep things in perspective. You can see it clearly in dire moments like last night. He's suddenly sprinting really fucking fast, he's jumping up snatching the boards, tip-toeing the baseline etc.

Losing like this is just toxic.

I think we genuinely don't give a fuck about these games. It's as simple as that, but winning is not just a switch that you can throw.

You have to learn how to win, and right now we're only reinforcing bad habits, and still feeling ourselves because of last summer. The team needs to flush that and start new.

Nothing they did last year has any bearing on how we're playing this year. Except the fact that hungry teams are coming for our head, and for some reason we think we're good enough for 3 apathetic quarters and a miracle in the 4th.

Great teams snuff these bad teams our quickly to break their spirit. The Cavaliers lackadaisical ways only inspire confidence in these bottom dwellers.

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

I'm not sure if Lue is regressing or experimenting. But the championship last year pretty much gives him a free pass card. If we didn't win it all last year and he's coaching the way he is now. He would be on the hot seat. I think this has a lot of do with Lombardi or what ever his name is. His defensive system us just not click with the players and it never will. the guy might be gone next year.

Right now the biggest mistake that will come back to bite Lue is not retesting LeBron enough this season. He can still fix this though with the 2nd half of the season coming up.

Lombardi was let go from PHX, and if I recall didn't they have issues with him last year making the defensive game plans too complex game to game. I could be mistaken but didn't Lue eventually say "F it" and take over the defense? He might have to do so again.

 

[ACisKING]

Lombardi was let go from PHX, and if I recall didn't they have issues with him last year making the defensive game plans too complex game to game. I could be mistaken but didn't Lue eventually say "F it" and take over the defense? He might have to do so again.

That begs the question as to why Longabardi was even allowed to implement his defense this season. I wonder if it was because he had training camp to try and install his schemes. All I know is that this super aggressive trap might help cover for the guards' poor defense on pick and rolls, but it exposes slow-footed back-line players like Love and Frye.

 

[Nphan]

Lombardi was let go from PHX, and if I recall didn't they have issues with him last year making the defensive game plans too complex game to game. I could be mistaken but didn't Lue eventually say "F it" and take over the defense? He might have to do so again.

Yes you are correct but their excuse last year was the system was too much, too complicated to be implement in half a season. So he was brought back to implement it throughout the whole season but it looks like it's still not working. He will be gone from here soon and will be replaced I'm sure.

 

[dark2332]

That begs the question as to why Longabardi was even allowed to implement his defense this season. I wonder if it was because he had training camp to try and install his schemes. All I know is that this super aggressive trap might help cover for the guards' poor defense on pick and rolls, but it exposes slow-footed back-line players like Love and Frye.

Precisely. Longabardi's failures led to the team winning a championship with a simplified defensive scheme. Why change it this year now that we had a training camp?

 

[gourimoko]

I think Longabardi will be given until the end of the break, and then the team will come back with Lue's old defensive schemes from the Finals/Blatt-era. I don't think he'll be "fired," but.. he'll likely move on in the offseason given our defensive woes.

 

[Nphan]

I wonder what defense did we run the 1st game against Golden State and what did we run the 2nd game..

 

[gourimoko]

I wonder what defense did we run the 1st game against Golden State and what did we run the 2nd game..

From what I recall, we dropped Longabardi's schemes after Game 3...