Tyronn Lue has been fired

[FrontPageNews]

RJ was great in the finals. Much better than love. I don't like Lue but that's the last thing I'd criticize him about.

 

[Kbiz]

Ty's a playoff coach. it's tough to call him out this season bc he has had basically 3-4 different teams to adjust to with the injuries + new additions. He's relied heavily on our staple guys to get the all the new pieces comfortable with each other, which has led to the increase in minutes for LBJ and Irving.

Now if his minutes distribution appears all over the place during the playoffs, that's another story but I'm not going to lose sleep over the sporadic minutes distribution we've recently witnessed. He's proven to me already that he can make the correct in-game adjustments during crunch time, which separates good coaches from great ones, IMO. He's been a head coach for less than two seasons. He should still be allowed some leeway to learn.

Our players aren't doing him any favors by playing half-assed D 70% of the season either. That much is certain.

 

[Tornicade]

Just did cos I have the entire series on my desktop. Still don't know what you mean hence why I asked. Score tied 69-69 nearing the end of the 3rd, Love is on the floor from then till we lose control of the game. He plays with commendable effort but we get seriously outhustled and our defense at that point still could not stop them.

I also think you're unfair because Jefferson was a big reason we could match up with them and part of the reason we still played well even with Love's foul trouble in game 6. If anything Lue's trust in RJ proved a turning point

Richard Jefferson should of never started game 4.
Tyronne Lue agrees. Now your trying to make it Trusting Jefferson vs trusting Love when that wasn't the problem at all.
Now game 6 was decided in the first quarter. Love was pretty much rested cause he wasn't needed.

If Cavs come out in 3rd quarter with Love against the bogut lineup then Richard Jefferson comes in when Iggy comes on to the court.

completely changes the complexion of the game

The Change in game three was Irving and James finally getting their groove at home. not because Love was out.

When your starter is available you start him

 

[AZCavs]

That was pretty on. I suggest you read further to understand why I used his name.

I read the whole post. You lost me (in terms of supporting your post) when you mentioned Brown. Lue isn't afraid to shuffle his rotation when players are playing like shit. That's why you saw guys like Delly, Frye and Moz riding the pine in the NBA finals. It's why you saw DeAndre Liggins starting for JR at one point in the season and Shump at another.

Letting players play through their struggles throughout the course of a single game rather than sitting them or calling a timeout is likely something he learned from playing for Phil Jackson, who used to make the Bulls and Lakers play through their struggles instead of calling for a break in the action. It's not a bad move when you have a team littered with championship vets, which the Cavs possess.

No coach should go un-criticized nor am I advocating for that, but in no way, shape or form is Lue similar to Mike Brown. That's your frustration from watching them give up 130 points and playing LeBron 39 minutes, which is fine to be frustrated over, but Lue is doing fine considering the circumstances he's faced throughout the season.

 

[kookoo]

I read the whole post. You lost me (in terms of supporting your post) when you mentioned Brown. Lue isn't afraid to shuffle his rotation when players are playing like shit. That's why you saw guys like Delly, Frye and Moz riding the pine in the NBA finals. It's why you saw DeAndre Liggins starting for JR at one point in the season and Shump at another.

Letting players play through their struggles throughout the course of a single game rather than sitting them or calling a timeout is likely something he learned from playing for Phil Jackson, who used to make the Bulls and Lakers play through their struggles instead of calling for a break in the action. It's not a bad move when you have a team littered with championship vets, which the Cavs possess.

No coach should go un-criticized nor am I advocating for that, but in no way, shape or form is Lue similar to Mike Brown. That's your frustration from watching them give up 130 points and playing LeBron 39 minutes, which is fine to be frustrated over, but Lue is doing fine considering the circumstances he's faced throughout the season.

When it happens more than 10 times in a season and LeBron is close to leading the league in minutes, it becomes a trend. How many times have we lost a lead this season where we had the game in the bag and made it close? And fast too... That's on the coach.

 

[Derek]

For all the talk about LeBron's minutes, he's still playing the 3rd fewest mpg of his career while getting scheduled rest games. Given all of our injuries, and the loss of some depth in free agency, I think it's understandable that his minutes would see a slight uptick this year.

 

[AZCavs]

When it happens more than 10 times in a season and LeBron is close to leading the league in minutes, it becomes a trend. How many times have we lost a lead this season where we had the game in the bag and made it close? And fast too... That's on the coach.

A trend? I disagree. I chalk up to:

1) Not having a full roster with a consistent rotation since JR got hurt.

2) Having a lot of roster turnover in the last two months

3) Players getting sick / needing rest

4) Regular season boredom


There is zero question that the Cavs have elevated their game each of the last two seasons come playoff time and I fully expect that to happen again. That's why I don't get the over-analyzing and overreacting. It's not about what's going on right now with this team. Get back to me in six weeks.

 

[AZCavs]

For all the talk about LeBron's minutes, he's still playing the 3rd fewest mpg of his career while getting scheduled rest games. Given all of our injuries, and the loss of some depth in free agency, I think it's understandable that his minutes would see a slight uptick this year.

I swear I was about to post the same thing. I believe this minutes shit is just another overreaction by virtually everyone creating a faux problem for LeBron. He is not like any other normal athlete. This team manages his minutes better than Miami did or the Cavs did during his first stint in Cleveland.

He'll get a few more games off down the stretch. That will negate the minutes per game he's playing.

 

[kookoo]

A trend? I disagree. I chalk up to:

1) Not having a full roster with a consistent rotation since JR got hurt.

2) Having a lot of roster turnover in the last two months

3) Players getting sick / needing rest

4) Regular season boredom


There is zero question that the Cavs have elevated their game each of the last two seasons come playoff time and I fully expect that to happen again. That's why I don't get the over-analyzing and overreacting. It's not about what's going on right now with this time. Get back to me in six weeks.

If anything, it's 4. I mean, we got wrecked by the Pels without Davis while having most of our guys. Either way, I do think Lue will pick it up for the playoffs.

 

[Joe Henderson]

Jesus, another Kyrie thread. Can the playoffs please start already

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

Ty Lue took over someone elses team and used the game plans and approach that .

Lue changed a lot of key parts of the gameplan. That was not a Blatt game-plan. The team took off, offensively, in a way they never did with Blatt once the playoffs began. Blatt was too stubborn, too stuck to his offensive principles. Lue allowed and encouraged freedom. Blatt was trying to fit a square peg into a round hold and it showed in how unimpressive Love was in Blatt's entire time here.

not sure how you can say finals don't happen without Ty Lue because the team got to the finals with less the season before.

The title win doesnt happen without Lue. Blatt had lost the locker room. We never comeback from 3-1 with Blatt. We lose in game 5, Draymond or no Draymond. By a lot. Then we trade Love in the summer for 50 cents on the dollar because Blatt tanked his value.

We also got to the finals in SPITE of Blatt. A referee literally gave him a gift because Blatt was unable to keep track of timeouts in the playoffs...pathetic...he shoud have been T'd up and we should have been down 3-1 to the shitty Bulls.

as far as the finals. Lue's stubbornness and lack of trust in his players (Love) was a factor in the Cavs blowing game 4 and being down 3-1 in the first place.

Love had a legit concussion and he played like trash when he first came back. He really didn't even get into a groove on ANY part of the floor until game 7, where Lue trusted the HELL out of him. And that RJ small-ball line-up was our best line-up that series, consistently outplayed Golden State's death line-up, and is one of the main reasons we won the title.

This is Lues first full season as a coach and his fingerprints are now firmly embedded on the team.

We're not playing for anything in the regular season. If we fail in the playoffs, Lue will get plenty of criticism depending on how it happens. But I'm confident in where we stand. We're sharing the ball at a higher level than Blatt ever had us doing it, playing with more confidence, etc.

however the Concept that Lue should be beyond criticism or concern because he coached the team to a championship isn't much different.

He's not beyond criticism, but he certainly gained a LOT of clout with that title win.

 

[buzzdog]

It kills me to see Cavs fans shit all over Lue, refuse to give Griff credit, and basically pounce on any player who has some down weeks including Lebron and Kyrie but also pretty much everyone on the roster at one time or another.

Then to go back and see just how clueless many of those same fans have been on most of the moves the organization makes when you look back in hindsight.

Lue is an excellent coach. His agenda might not match your agenda. I'll trust his judgement over every swinging dick that posts here, damn near every time. Nobody is infallable, not even Lebron. But this organization is pretty damn good and I just don't take enjoyment in bashing people who I know have 100x more knowledge than myself or anybody posting here, even when shit gets cross-threaded once in awhile.

I'm going to have a blast watching this year's incarnation of the Cavs make a run to repeat. What a rare group, and a rare time in Cleveland sports history. Including Coach Lue, he's a big part of what makes this team tick when the sledding gets rough.

 

[JMoneyYourHoney]

We also got to the finals in SPITE of Blatt.

Look I was never a Blatt fan but these are revisionist attempts to discredit the guy, who did a commendable job transforming an injured team into the most beastly defensive squad in the playoffs.

Even with everything we had going against us, Blatt had Kerr scrambling for answers. Yes, we have that guy LeBron but Blatt's gameplan was successful until we ran out of gas and couldn't counter GSW's small lineup (anybody who continues calling it that other name deserves to be pistol-whipped.)

Injuries robbed us of a title that year, not Blatt. Anybody who tells me that we'd still only be sitting on one ring fully healthy that campaign has an agenda.

 

[Cassity14]

Look I was never a Blatt guy but these are revisionist attempts to discredit the guy, who did a commendable job transforming an injured team into the most beastly defensive squad in the playoffs.

Even with everything we had going against us, Blatt had Kerr scrambling for answers. Yes, we have that guy LeBron but Blatt's gameplan was successful until we ran out of gas and couldn't counter GSW's small lineup (anybody who continues calling it that other name deserves to be pistol-whipped.)

Injuries robbed us of a title that year, not Blatt. Anybody who tells me that we'd still only be sitting on one ring fully healthy that campaign has an agenda.

I don't disagree that Blatt gets a lot of flack looking back, particularly with how dynamite the offense was from an efficiency standpoint after the trades, but let's not forget that Lue was in charge of the defense while Blatt was the head coach.

 

[cavsfever]

Lue will get his ultimate test starting right now. He had a thin team where he was forced to overplay key guys and the defense went to shit. Now he has the deepest team in the NBA and five weeks to get them ready for the playoffs, find the best lineups, and re-integrate returning injured guys. Plus we have just a three game lead over the Celtics with five back to backs coming up and a record of failing to win those when we rest Lebron. Lue has all the tools to address our issues but it will be a coaching challenge to use them the right way. Dealing with a transformed team (six of the top eleven players in our playoff lineup are either new/recent acquisitions or returning from long injuries) going into the playoffs is a fascinating coaching challenge. He has no excuses any more.

So far, Lue looks to me like a very good offensive coach and a great leader for team morale but not as skilled defensively or with lineups. But I'm willing to hold any judgments until after we see the next couple of months. It's going to be really exciting to watch this team come together (or infinitely frustrating if we don't, but I have faith).

Look I was never a Blatt guy but these are revisionist attempts to discredit the guy, who did a commendable job transforming an injured team into the most beastly defensive squad in the playoffs.

Even with everything we had going against us, Blatt had Kerr scrambling for answers. Yes, we have that guy LeBron but Blatt's gameplan was successful until we ran out of gas and couldn't counter GSW's small lineup (anybody who continues calling it that other name deserves to be pistol-whipped.)

Injuries robbed us of a title that year, not Blatt. Anybody who tells me that we'd still only be sitting on one ring fully healthy that campaign has an agenda.

Damn straight. It's remarkable that Blatt gets no credit for coaching Lebron + Shump, Delly, JR and TT to a 12-2 record in the East playoffs and then to six games against a totally healthy Warriors squad. Yes, Lebron deserves most of the credit but you can't tell me that the coach plays no role.