Tyronn Lue has been fired

[InBoobieWeTrust]

My problems are mostly with his lineups/rotations. We do run some good plays. Less Jr due to injury is nothing he can do. Playing Rose and Wade together is all him. That third quarter line up with no LeBron or Crowder out there with Korver and Green was just a disaster. Anybody could have predicted that lineup would fail.

Last night we had an overall drtg of 98.7 which is outstanding. The lineups we ran drug down the offense which was the real problem.

Definitely agree somewhat on the lineups. But again it was one gam. Hell, Steve Kerr is worshipped by some on here and he had some super idiotic lineups last night. Hell remember his lineups in game 7 with Ezeli? That was even in the finals, lol.

Lue is gonna have some failed experiments for sure. I wanna see what he settles into as a general rotation by Christmas time. Then judge it a bit more. I do think he's shoehorning Wade and Rose in together but I also think he may be doing it right now in order to prove a point to the team that it won't work, and prove it earlier rather than later when there isn't time to fix it and we have more lineup things to worry about with IT.


My biggest concern for Ty Lue is Jeff Green. I feel like that might be the one stubborn area where he thinks he's going to be the smartest guy in the room but will fall on his face. Green is fine as a spot minutes 10-12th man. But I'm afraid that Lue, based off of their past relationship in Boston, is going to carve out a consistent 15 minute role for Green. And Green doesn't deserve that role until he cuts out all of his isolation possessions, starts
Shooting the open 3 consistently and hitting at least 35%. I did think his D and floor game was better than I expected. But he has to stop isolating and trying to take contested twos after passing up an open 3. That's just never ever ever an acceptable decision. He did it at least 3 times last night. I was furious.

But yeah I really wish Ty would focus more on carving out Korvers role and letting Green get the table scraps rather than the reverse which happened last night.

 

[Benedict_Boozer]

I like Green on defense, I'm not as down on him just yet. He has athleticism and length that we could really use on this team.

I think he needs to be in lineups that limit his time making decisions with the ball, in other words he should basically be finishing plays (lobs, transition dunks, layups) and not getting the ball in ISO situations trying to score.

His BB IQ in that regard leaves alot to be desired, but I think we need to work with him because he could be important in terms of matching up defensively with longer wings and more athletic bigs.

 

[InBoobieWeTrust]

I like Green on defense, I'm not as down on him just yet. He has athleticism and length that we could really use on this team.

I think he needs to be in lineups that limit his time making decisions with the ball, in other words he should basically be finishing plays (lobs, transition dunks, layups) and not getting the ball in ISO situations trying to score.

His BB IQ in that regard leaves alot to be desired, but I think we need to work with him because he could be important in terms of matching up defensively with longer wings and more athletic bigs.

My problem was that he was turning finishing play situations (open threes, rim rolls) into isolation plays. Like, he's the one that turned a simple theee point attempt into a dribble drive, spin move, contested fadeaway

He needs the Pop treatment. Like, he literally should be yanked off the floor instantly for doing something like that.

I'm just worried Ty is a little too tunneled in on Green and getting the best out of him that he's going to let him have much more role than he deserves

 

[FrontPageNews]

Green is a bigger Shump. He shouldn’t dribble as much as he should and he shouldn’t shoot unless he’s wide open. His defense is ok but his rebounding his subpar.

 

[Nphan]

This is why I preach at least 10-20 game patience. Some of it is that players are who they are and can't deviate from that too much. But part is also just timing, experience playing together, playing in a new offense etc. I don't expect to see a miraculous change by Rose but at least an uptick in understanding where guys spots are and how to get new teammates involved.

Also, when IT gets back, it will reset that a bit, but long term, IT/Love is a better offensive pairing than Rose/Love and Rose on the second unit pushing the ball should maximize the few offensive strenghts that Green and TT have on offense.

If we want to get away from LeBron ISO as our prime, main playmaking default, than I completely understand having Rose in the starting lineup until IT returns.

Didnt we all preach this last year and nothing happened until Lebron started to go Zero Dark 30? No bench was ever developed, bron still playing 40 + a game, and now we're preaching again this year.

 

[TyGuy]

My problem was that he was turning finishing play situations (open threes, rim rolls) into isolation plays. Like, he's the one that turned a simple theee point attempt into a dribble drive, spin move, contested fadeaway

He needs the Pop treatment. Like, he literally should be yanked off the floor instantly for doing something like that.

I'm just worried Ty is a little too tunneled in on Green and getting the best out of him that he's going to let him have much more role than he deserves

Don't forget his dribble drive play where he was stripped. Yeah, i'm not interested in Jeff green dribbling trying to make plays. I'm interested in Jeff Green taking open threes or finishing plays and rebounding. He did none of the above last night.

 

[Nphan]

I wish LeBron could be less bias/emotional and instead logical in situations like this. Wade can still be a voice but he needs to chnage the way he plays to fit the modern NBA. LeBron is held accountable to those same standards. If Wade wants to make less changes to his game then he needs to accept reduced minutes in a bench role.

I agree with you but i'm sure Lebron does not control when Kevin Love comes in and who plays on the 2nd unit. He probably control his own time and told Lue Wade would start but our bench that Lue cannot develop to hold a learn forced Lebron to play more minutes that he controls. If Lue develops our bench, Lebron would be able to rest more. If lets say, Lue makes live game adjustment, it will help our bench and momentum. For example, Lue allowing Korver to get abused 5-6 times last night in the post by Smart without lifting a finger to sub in Shump or some other player..

 

[MirORich]

Didnt we all preach this last year and nothing happened until Lebron started to go Zero Dark 30? No bench was ever developed, bron still playing 40 + a game, and now we're preaching again this year.

Where you not watching last year?

The bench that was provided to start the season was suspect. Dunleavy was done and had to be shipped out quickly. Birdman was a bad signing but got injured anyways. Mo was being counted on as the backup PG and pulled a fast one on them with the retirement. JR held out and took a while to play his way in to shape and then got injured and missed significant time. Love missed 5 weeks. Korver was brought in. Deron and Bogut were brought in. Bogut then got injured immediately.

This year there is actual quality depth and a bench from the start. The development part comes from playing more than one freaking game together, following a shortened preseason where LeBron, the on court piece that most everything revolves around, barely played or practiced.

Can you not see how perhaps even just 15-20 games would be reasonable before defaulting to absolutes about how Lue is the worst?

 

[Nphan]

Where you not watching last year?

The bench that was provided to start the season was suspect. Dunleavy was done and had to be shipped out quickly. Birdman was a bad signing but got injured anyways. Mo was being counted on as the backup PG and pulled a fast one on them with the retirement. JR held out and took a while to play his way in to shape and then got injured and missed significant time. Love missed 5 weeks. Korver was brought in. Deron and Bogut were brought in. Bogut then got injured immediately.

This year there is actual quality depth and a bench from the start. The development part comes from playing more than one freaking game together, following a shortened preseason where LeBron, the on court piece that most everything revolves around, barely played or practiced.

Can you not see how perhaps even just 15-20 games would be reasonable before defaulting to absolutes about how Lue is the worst?

I'll remember this post and talk to you about it mid point of the season. I hope Lue finally is able to manage a bench but i dont see that happening. No excuses.

 

[MirORich]

I'll remember this post and talk to you about it mid point of the season. I hope Lue finally is able to manage a bench but i dont see that happening. No excuses.

Happy to continue the conversation and to revisit it mid season. Not trying to be an ideologue or argue just to argue.

 

[TitleTown]

I don't think Lue is a bad coach. He's still very young and early in his career. And he's had a lot of great moments. He's great in terms of managing personalities (winning a title when your #2 guy obviously secretly resented and hated everything about your best player, team, organization, and dirt is pretty impressive work) And this team right here over the next 80+ games is going to be a very good project for him to show what he can do. Im interested to see how we look in about 3 months from now. It will tell us a lot more about Lue than we know.

Problems that are persisting:

- Rotations:
There is no reason to start Wade and Rose together. None. It's beyond stupid. There's no reason to experiment with moronic ideas.

- Game management:
He rarely makes strategic use of his timeouts, and this is a BIG part of why we regularly blow leads.

- No offensive system:
No need to go into detail here.

- No accountability for shitty team defense:
Again, this is self explanatory

Why people are justified in starting the season pissed off:

- Because these were problems for the ENTIRE season last year.

- Because we may only have 1 or 2 more years of prime LBJ.

- Because this team has a tendency to lack urgency and consistency. And this starts with Lue. LBJ takes some blame for this as well.

 

[BimboColesHair]

Lue has an absolutely elite ATO play success ratio(way higher than Stevens)but he doesn't know his Xs and Os? That's literally impossible. Lue draws up gem after gem after gem that constantly produces wide open shots from all over the court. Seems like a solid X and O guy to me...

Our D was actually pretty good last night overall. And a coach can only do so much about sloppy uninspired turnovers from your best players...

Listen, I was head scratching at some of the lineup choices particularly with Green and Shumpert together, and I don't claim Lue is Gregg Popovich...

But your bias shows when you make ignorant claims like "he has no idea about offense, defense, Xs and Os, rotations, accountability blah blah"

It's like some people think Mike Brown or Byron Scott is still on the sidelines...yikes...


I don't think Lue is a bad coach. He's still very young and early in his career. And he's had a lot of great moments. He's great in terms of managing personalities (winning a title when your #2 guy obviously secretly resented and hated everything about your best player, team, organization, and dirt is pretty impressive work) And this team right here over the next 80+ games is going to be a very good project for him to show what he can do. Im interested to see how we look in about 3 months from now. It will tell us a lot more about Lue than we know.

ATO play to ice the game yesterday was beautiful...one of his better to date. Could see the weak side opportunity as soon as the LBJ/Wade 2 man game started and was initiated at the top of the key, since 1 man was guarding both Rose and Love, since the low man crashed into the paint when he saw LBJ go backdoor off a Crowder screen in order to help.

LBJ has the ball in the post with all eyes on him, Rose cuts and takes that remaining defender away, and Love is wide open in the weakside corner. Was a beautiful set, with lots of options, but the primary one opened up early in the set, and LBJ exploited it to perfection.

Have to know your Xs and Os to draw up that set piece out of a timeout.

Easily the best aspect of his coaching that he took from Doc Rivers, as its iced quite a few games for us in his 1.5 years as coach.

 

[J_J]

People are tough on Lue but got to give him credit tonight. The offensive sets we ran was top notch and he knows his Xs and Os. When we do not overdribble and when we run our sets and move without the ball, this team is fun to watch.

I like to see Love utilize his passing from top of that key and keep giving him to post. Love at center is genious.

Great job tonight.

 

[shoes22]

Lue drew up some really nice sets tonight but he does need to work on the rotations. It took until the second half until he really found lineups that work.

 

[Gus Zing]

Team still needs to get in shape. Playing too slow.