Tyronn Lue has been fired

[Kiddo]

I think Lebron adds a lot of unnecessary stress to coaching staffs. I'm not giving Lue a pass but Lebron is about half as good of a leader as he thinks he is. I'll give Lue 1 more year.

 

[Green Lantern]

I hope it was the lights. Man his skin color looked bad to me. He looks like he fattened up too. Puffy and green like a frog.

 

[avs2000]

What the heck do you think I'm talking about ???
Again, did Lebron do the Cavs a common courtesy?
Is he going to do them any in the future?
I don't care what Walton did in the past, I'm talking about the Cavs.
Let the Fakers and Walton feel what it's like to work with Lebron on their own time.

Lue needs to hold himself in high regard and get his coaching abilities squared away ..not be concerned about giving courtesy tips to a rival coach right now..wanna pick up the phone??
Call your GM and owner and see what their plans are for the Cavs.
it doesn't matter to you, because a lot of you in here will accept anything that players/coaches do.
Don't like it ..well that's all.

Lebron does no one favors, it is always about Lebron
He knew a year ago or more he wanted to go to LA

People say the Cavs helped the lakers clear space. That is dumb, they would have cleared space anyway. I will always maintain there was tampering. Everything was set up for him to go to LA. He talked one time with Magic and no one else

But fine, now he has to deal with Lavar Ball, Kobe, Rondo, Stephenson, Buss Family...what can go wrong
Paul George pretty much ran away from LBJ to play with him. I doubt Leonard goes there on his on volition.
Kyrie ran away from him. He gave Love panic attacks
And pretty much called all remaining cavs low IQ guys on his way out the door

I appreciate what Lebron did here, but cannot honestly say I like him.
Never really liked Kyrie or JR, TT

I actually like Cedi, Sexton, Zizic and Nance

We will not be in the finals this year or for any year soon but I like the way this has turned out so far. It is fun again to watch cavs bball

 

[Green Lantern]

Lebron does no one favors, it is always about Lebron
He knew a year ago or more he wanted to go to LA

People say the Cavs helped the lakers clear space. That is dumb, they would have cleared space anyway. I will always maintain there was tampering. Everything was set up for him to go to LA. He talked one time with Magic and no one else

But fine, now he has to deal with Lavar Ball, Kobe, Rondo, Stephenson, Buss Family...what can go wrong
Paul George pretty much ran away from LBJ to play with him. I doubt Leonard goes there on his on volition.
Kyrie ran away from him. He gave Love panic attacks
And pretty much called all remaining cavs low IQ guys on his way out the door

I appreciate what Lebron did here, but cannot honestly say I like him.
Never really liked Kyrie or JR, TT

I actually like Cedi, Sexton, Zizic and Nance

We will not be in the finals this year or for any year soon but I like the way this has turned out so far. It is fun again to watch cavs bball

That one little thing you said is interesting and true..he talked to Magic but stated before he would not meet with the Cavs.
That told me all I needed to know.

 

[TitleTown]

Meh. It's over. Don't care. At all.

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

I still think Lue can pull a Spoelstra and grow as a head coach. He was a rookie the first year and a half basically.Only got one training camp with the team.

Lue became coach in the middle of the 2016 season. So he had that half season as a coach, then all of the 16-17 season, then all of 17-18. Dude has had two training camps, and two and a half years as a head coach. And the team has trended steadily downhill since 2016. There seems to have been no discernable player development, no improved execution as players become more familiar with his offensive/defensive system, and the team was wracked by huge interpersonal conflicts. So even the idea of him being a players coach who could manage personalities was a complete failure.

When Spoelstra took over, the first season was not good. But after that, you could see the upward trend as players bought into his systems and he grew. His second and third years as a head coach saw steady improvement, both by him and the team. The team fell apart because of cheap ownership, not because of anything Spoelstra did or didn't do.

Where is the equivalent growth/improvement under Lue that makes it reasonable to project him as Spoelstra? Bottom line is that Spoelstra coached LBJ successfully, and Lue didn't.

 

[DirtyDan]

What the heck do you think I'm talking about ???
Again, did Lebron do the Cavs a common courtesy?
Is he going to do them any in the future?
I don't care what Walton did in the past, I'm talking about the Cavs.
He's a Laker now.
Lue doesn't need to do them any courtesy tips.
Save the tips for the next restaurant he visits.

You're missing the point and have a clear disconnect between how you feel and how the organization feels about Lebron leaving. Consider this: Lebron is the reason Lue has a job, a ring, and a great winning percentage as a coach. Lue is still here because Lebron was willing to work with him, because Lue could've gone the way of Blatt pretty easily. From Altman to Cedi, they all speak fondly of Lebron despite Lebron not returning the favor. I even recall Blatt giving Lebron high praise after being fired. How you feel is not the reality of the situation.

Spoelstra, Fry, and RJ have spoken with Walton too. Are you going to critize Spoelstra for helping out a traitor? Here's the link:

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com...s-luke-walton-tryonn-lue-lebron-james-meeting

You tell me if this a tip because it looks like Lue is doing PR for Lebron more than anything else. Here's the quote from Lue:

"LeBron's not the problem. It's the outside tension that's the problem. Just put added pressure immediately on the coaches, on his teammates. Now everything you do is under a microscope. … So it's going to be a totally different change for the Lakers. They'll be able to handle it. LeBron is easy to play with, very unselfish. LeBron can bring guys along, make sure they're doing the right thing. It's going to be good. The outside is what you've gotta be able to block out."

We can find something to be angry about in the regular season for sure. Especially if Lue doesn't learn anything from these last couple years. Until then, this place doesn't have to be an echo chamber for hate just yet.

 

[avs2000]

Meh. It's over. Don't care. At all.

Neither does Tristan. He and Klohe our celebrating with lbj and Savannah in Cali last night per N.Y. Post

 

[Green Lantern]

You're missing the point and have a clear disconnect between how you feel and how the organization feels about Lebron leaving. Consider this: Lebron is the reason Lue has a job, a ring, and a great winning percentage as a coach. Lue is still here because Lebron was willing to work with him, because Lue could've gone the way of Blatt pretty easily. From Altman to Cedi, they all speak fondly of Lebron despite Lebron not returning the favor. I even recall Blatt giving Lebron high praise after being fired. How you feel is not the reality of the situation.

Spoelstra, Fry, and RJ have spoken with Walton too. Are you going to critize Spoelstra for helping out a traitor? Here's the link:

https://www.silverscreenandroll.com...s-luke-walton-tryonn-lue-lebron-james-meeting

You tell me if this a tip because it looks like Lue is doing PR for Lebron more than anything else. Here's the quote from Lue:

"LeBron's not the problem. It's the outside tension that's the problem. Just put added pressure immediately on the coaches, on his teammates. Now everything you do is under a microscope. … So it's going to be a totally different change for the Lakers. They'll be able to handle it. LeBron is easy to play with, very unselfish. LeBron can bring guys along, make sure they're doing the right thing. It's going to be good. The outside is what you've gotta be able to block out."

We can find something to be angry about in the regular season for sure. Especially if Lue doesn't learn anything from these last couple years. Until then, this place doesn't have to be an echo chamber for hate just yet.

Not even going to read all of this.
I don't have a disconnect over anything.
Dude is gone.
No favors or courtesy needs to be sent toward LA .
Unless some trade is involved.

 

[DirtyDan]

Lue became coach in the middle of the 2016 season. So he had that half season as a coach, then all of the 16-17 season, then all of 17-18. Dude has had two training camps, and two and a half years as a head coach. And the team has trended steadily downhill since 2016. There seems to have been no discernable player development, no improved execution as players become more familiar with his offensive/defensive system, and the team was wracked by huge interpersonal conflicts. So even the idea of him being a players coach who could manage personalities was a complete failure.

When Spoelstra took over, the first season was not good. But after that, you could see the upward trend as players bought into his systems and he grew. His second and third years as a head coach saw steady improvement, both by him and the team. The team fell apart because of cheap ownership, not because of anything Spoelstra did or didn't do.

Where is the equivalent growth/improvement under Lue that makes it reasonable to project him as Spoelstra? Bottom line is that Spoelstra coached LBJ successfully, and Lue didn't.

Miami has the structure needed to handle someone like Lebron. When Lebron came here, it seemed like he was supposed to bring that structure to Cleveland and that clearly wasn't the case. Spoelstra simply never had to work outside of the structure that D-Wade and Riley built in Miami. We didn't see Spoelstra have to deal with the moving pieces and controversy like Lue.

I'd argue Blatt/Lue were given a raw deal by Lebron and the front office. There was a conflict of interest between the veterans underperforming and being Lebron's friends. Do you bench guys and risk losing the whole locker room in the process?

Griffin didn't value defense at all in his vision of this team. Altman picked up pieces that didn't fit or players that needed more time to be integrated into the offense. Lue isn't going to prevent one dimensional veteran players from declining in athleticism either.

Lue is at fault, but I really think it's a combination of Lebron, Lue, and the front office who deserve the blame for these last seasons being hell. I really think we'll have a clearer picture of Lue after this season. Lue needs to improve in a bunch of fundamental aspects of being a coach like managing minutes, holding practices, and running more than isolation plays. Honestly, he could make a large improvement as coach if he does what he's supposed to do. Play the young guys and make defense a priority.

 

[Cavatt]

Miami has the structure needed to handle someone like Lebron. When Lebron came here, it seemed like he was supposed to bring that structure to Cleveland and that clearly wasn't the case. Spoelstra simply never had to work outside of the structure that D-Wade and Riley built in Miami. We didn't see Spoelstra have to deal with the moving pieces and controversy like Lue.

I'd argue Blatt/Lue were given a raw deal by Lebron and the front office. There was a conflict of interest between the veterans underperforming and being Lebron's friends. Do you bench guys and risk losing the whole locker room in the process?

Griffin didn't value defense at all in his vision of this team. Altman picked up pieces that didn't fit or players that needed more time to be integrated into the offense. Lue isn't going to prevent one dimensional veteran players from declining in athleticism either.

Lue is at fault, but I really think it's a combination of Lebron, Lue, and the front office who deserve the blame for these last seasons being hell. I really think we'll have a clearer picture of Lue after this season. Lue needs to improve in a bunch of fundamental aspects of being a coach like managing minutes, holding practices, and running more than isolation plays. Honestly, he could make a large improvement as coach if he does what he's supposed to do. Play the young guys and make defense a priority.

To be fair he said he is going to implement a system and get the guys to play d.

I just don't know tho. He makes so many gut decisions that are wrong. He played TT and Green together a lot and said he liked their physicality. Everyone could see it didn't work and numbers guys her eon the board posted the proof of how bad the offense and defense were and Le kept playing those lineups.

I think we are going to be horrified about how he leans on the vets.

 

[DirtyDan]

To be fair he said he is going to implement a system and get the guys to play d.

I just don't know tho. He makes so many gut decisions that are wrong. He played TT and Green together a lot and said he liked their physicality. Everyone could see it didn't work and numbers guys her eon the board posted the proof of how bad the offense and defense were and Le kept playing those lineups.

I think we are going to be horrified about how he leans on the vets.

That does scare me. Especially his over reliance on Korver and JR in playoffs who weren't really contributing much of anything. I give him credit for getting more out of TT in playoffs, but that's about it.

I don't blame him for not playing the rookies during the regular season. Most coaches seem to not be comfortable playing rookies on championship contending teams. Which is silly imo, because he put himself in a box by only playing JR, Green, Hood, or Crowder at the wing. All of those guys had extreme low points during the year where Cedi could've picked up the slack.

 

[Pjlea28]

Neither does Tristan. He and Klohe our celebrating with lbj and Savannah in Cali last night per N.Y. Post

LA deserves them all. Maybe TT can end up on the Lakers and all would end well (especially for CLE). Use to think Bron had better taste then to hang with Mr & Mrs. Kardashian.

 

[catfish]

Neither does Tristan. He and Klohe our celebrating with lbj and Savannah in Cali last night per N.Y. Post

That is a little bogus

 

[TitleTown]

To be fair he said he is going to implement a system and get the guys to play d.

I just don't know tho. He makes so many gut decisions that are wrong. He played TT and Green together a lot and said he liked their physicality. Everyone could see it didn't work and numbers guys her eon the board posted the proof of how bad the offense and defense were and Le kept playing those lineups.

I think we are going to be horrified about how he leans on the vets.

I hope this changes now that LeBron is gone.

Here's why it might:

With LeBron gone, Lue's ONLY bosses are Altman and Dan.

Before then, LeBron had the final say, and since LeBron had Lue's back, Lue basically had free reign.

I'm hoping that Altman will now have the freedom to step in, and say something like: "Lue, the analytics shows that we need to do X."

Altman and Dan may have been afraid to force Lue to do X before, since they let Lue and LeBron run things, but now they don't have those fears.