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New Jamison thread... Old thread can be views HERE - Ben

Of all the concerns about adding Jamison, and I admit I agree with some of the concerns, the "injury prone" concern is the silliest.

The guy is an iron man. Like someone pointed out, he's played 96% of his games!!!

One day I would love to go to a cavs site where I didn't have to read the phrases "injury prone" or "another Larry Hughes" 10 times a day around the deadline :chuckles:

I dont know if he's "another Hughes" or "injury prone" but I do know he has had some haggling injuries and is being driven into the ground right now. Iron man or not, the guy is only 33 years old at one point in his life, and he is currently at that point. Exercise caution.
 
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LeBron wants Jamison.

Time for the Cavs to get Jamison.

I never ditched the Tawn army, you bunch of bandwagoners!
 
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Ignoring the injury concern with Jamison is ridiculous.

Yes, he's been healthy (almost unbelievably so, actually) up until this season. But this season has really been filled with nagging injuries. A nagging injury with a 20-some year old is just a little different than a nagging injury with a 30-some year old. That 20-year old is still young and can recover....but that 30-some year old has much less of a chance of recovery. Despite his injury history (or lack of) we simply cannot ignore his age and how that effects injuries. The Wiz playing him >40 minutes every single night for the whole season is going to make his body break down even quicker, and they're going to keep doing that up until the trade.

edit: hell I'm an advocate of Jamison (but only if we offer a fair deal for Iggy and that doesn't pan out first!), so I'm not intentionally hating on him or anything. His injury risk is something that SHOULD be heavily weighed in any trade possibility and neglecting to do so could turn into quite a problem.
 
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I'm not saying we should ignore Jamison's health. Far from it. I'm saying that Jamison has been as you put it "unbelievably" healthy over his career which leads me to believe his body is naturally built to handle the stress of an NBA game. That said, he is playing a lot of minutes and if that were to continue through the year than yes, I would have serious concerns about his body come the playoffs.

My opinion is if he were to be traded here his minutes would likely go from 38-40 minutes per game to somewhere between 25 and 30. If we wanted to we could even sit him a few times to get his legs back. The Cavaliers have the luxury of depth so they can go into the post season hopefully as healthy as possible. By the time April rolls around, his heavy minutes early will be negated by the fact he's had his work load reduced in the 2nd half of the season.

It's a completely different scenario if he is traded here and asked to keep up the same work load as Washington. Luckily for us and him, he most likely will not have to do that.
 
Re: Jamison to Cavs? ESPN Insider

LeBron wants Jamison.

Time for the Cavs to get Jamison.

I never ditched the Tawn army, you bunch of bandwagoners!

'tawn is the perfect immediate fit, and would probably be the type of trade that wouldn't change much in terms of our roster and chemistry.

HOWEVA, Iggy would trump 'tawn if we can get him. But, it may change the complexity of the team a bit more....and while he might not be the best immediate fit, you can't argue with his talent and the fact that HE JUST TURNED 26 five days ago.

I'll also mention that BW has said that the Cavs basically need another offensive threat on this team. So all of you criticizing 'tawn's defense (*cough* KEYS) JUST FUGETABOUTIT! :)
 
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I'm not saying we should ignore Jamison's health. Far from it. I'm saying that Jamison has been as you put it "unbelievably" healthy over his career which leads me to believe his body is naturally built to handle the stress of an NBA game. That said, he is playing a lot of minutes and if that were to continue through the year than yes, I would have serious concerns about his body come the playoffs.

Not just that, but his game lends to good health. He's not a banger, he's not a guy who relies on athleticism and high impact maneuvers. He's just a solid shooter who is amazingly crafty scoring around the basket. Just fantastic scoring touch, which isn't something that's going to wear on you or decline with age. I'm not terribly worried about him.
 
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Lebron also wanted hughes.
 
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Lebron also wanted hughes.

This is a perfect transition into why one player (despite him being a fantastic, game altering player) should not make all the decisions. LBJ wants Jamison. Thats a very nice idea and hopefully works out. You know what would be absolutely terrible though? If we trade for Jamison, take on his contract which has a little while left on it (I believe 3 more years and the monetary value just increases over the years) and we dont have the guy the wanted him to begin with. I'm not saying that LBJ will jump ship (because I dont believe he will) but we dont know if he is staying or not. You might be running a franchise with the hopes that LBJ stays but you cant be too sure until it happens (this upcoming summer). I trust Ferry, and I trust that he will do the best option possible which may mean NO trade at all if we cant get a good price on something.

I am in the belief that he is staying this upcoming summer. He may go look at other places much like Tim Duncan did, but like Duncan (ultimately staying in San Antonio after visit places like Orlando) he will ultimately stay where he has the best chance to win...which is CLE.:thumbup:
 
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LBJ and Shaq also made it public about wanting Artest, and I even think Ariza. We shouldn't think too much of these statements.
 
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I'm not saying we should ignore Jamison's health. Far from it. I'm saying that Jamison has been as you put it "unbelievably" healthy over his career which leads me to believe his body is naturally built to handle the stress of an NBA game. That said, he is playing a lot of minutes and if that were to continue through the year than yes, I would have serious concerns about his body come the playoffs.

My opinion is if he were to be traded here his minutes would likely go from 38-40 minutes per game to somewhere between 25 and 30. If we wanted to we could even sit him a few times to get his legs back. The Cavaliers have the luxury of depth so they can go into the post season hopefully as healthy as possible. By the time April rolls around, his heavy minutes early will be negated by the fact he's had his work load reduced in the 2nd half of the season.

It's a completely different scenario if he is traded here and asked to keep up the same work load as Washington. Luckily for us and him, he most likely will not have to do that.
Yeah, if he came here his minutes would go down, which should help with the injuries. But even if he has an "NBA body," I still can't help but wonder about how well he's going to recover from the Wiz running him into the ground so far. He might....but given his age, it's concerning to me, NBA body or not.

LBJ and Shaq also made it public about wanting Artest, and I even think Ariza. We shouldn't think too much of these statements.
Maybe we shouldn't think much from the Cavs perspective, but what about the Wizards perspective? I'm sure this article caught their attention and they will react accordingly.

I'm not saying they actually have more leverage, but I wouldn't be surprised if they think they do and as a result stick to their guns on wanting Hickson.
 
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Lebron also wanted hughes.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but he wanted any one of the big max contract guys (Redd, Allen, Hughes) during the 2005 offseason. Hughes was the last guy left on the table after the other two re-upped.

LeBron wanted a lot of things that offseason. Didn't he lobby Ferry to do whatever it took to get Chris Paul in the draft?

Unless Ferry's willing to give up more than he's ever given up in a trade (resulting in less of a "clear win"), I'm very dubious about the Cavs getting Jamison.
 
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Where's the Troy Murphy Discussion Thread? :chuckles:
 
Re: Jamison Discussion Thread

LeBron James is the one driving the team’s pursuit of Jamison

http://ken-berger.blogs.cbssports.co...8893/19891570?

With a little more than two weeks to go before the Feb. 18 trade deadline, the chatter is starting to pick up. Here’s the latest trade buzz culled from conversations with team executives, agents, and others in the know:

• It’s been well documented that the Cavaliers’ infatuation with Antawn Jamison has been rekindled. What’s been underplayed is the reason behind it: LeBron James is the one driving the team’s pursuit of Jamison, according to a source, and Cavs GM Danny Ferry – as usual – is trying to appease the King. A couple of problems: The Wizards want a young asset in return, and Zydrunas Ilgauskas – while a fit salary-wise – doesn’t fit that description. The sensible piece to include in the deal would be J.J. Hickson, whom the Cavs are reluctant to give up. But if the Cavs got Jamison, what value would Hickson be to them as their fifth big man? One scenario that is believed to be under discussion would have the Cavs hoping the Wizards bought out Ilgauskas after the trade, using some cash added to the deal by Cleveland. That way, the Cavs could sign Ilgauskas back on a minimum deal, giving them the player James covets (Jamison) and a 7-foot-4 insurance policy for Shaquille O’Neal. The Wizards would have to ask themselves if getting out from under Jamison’s contract and adding Hickson is enough to justify a deal that would get them under the tax next summer, but not under the cap.

If the Cavs can’t get Jamison, Indiana’s Troy Murphy is Plan B. And yes, there’s a Plan C -- Andre Iguodala. Whereas the Cavs’ front office believes Jamison could help them win a championship this year, Iguodala would be more of a long-term solution. And he better be, with four years and $56 million left on his deal.

• Rumblings about Ray Allen being on his way out of Boston are accurate, but only if the Celtics can get back a player who’d crack the top eight in their rotation. One scenario that has been discussed would have Allen going to Chicago for Kirk Hinrich and another piece – John Salmons? – to satisfy the salary requirements. If it came to fruition, what an intriguing swap it would be for teams that waged such a thrilling postseason battle only eight months ago. Since Allen’s $19.7 million contract expires after the season, acquiring him would leave Chicago flush with cap space for a 2010 free-agent binge centered around Chicago native Dwyane Wade and an additional superstar.

• One of Allen’s teammates also is generating some interest: Kendrick Perkins, who’d be a perfect fit for a team like the Pistons, who are desperate for a post presence. But Perkins only makes $4.3 million, and it’s difficult to imagine the Celtics parting with him given the way Kevin Garnett is gimping around.

Other than Cleveland, only a handful of teams are active in trade talks and willing to take on money. The others are Dallas, Boston, Portland and potentially Denver, which could get ownership approval for a big enough name – though no such possibility is imminent. The Nuggets are steadfastly refusing to include J.R. Smith in any deal, and their quest for a big man will have to go in a different direction with Indiana’s Jeff Foster likely out for the year with back issues.

• The Mavs, behind big spender Mark Cuban, are always buyers at the deadline. Nothing has changed this year, with the Mavs said to be targeting help at shooting guard in a deal that would likely include Josh Howard and Erick Dampier.

• The Blazers’ interest in Wizards center Brendan Haywood is understandable, considering the catastrophic injuries to Greg Oden and Joel Pryzbilla. But an expiring contract – such as the one belonging to Travis Outlaw – won’t be enough to pique Washington’s interest. As with Jamison, the Wizards want useful assets in return. In this case, sources say, Washington has asked for Rudy Fernandez and has been strongly rebuffed. Consider those talks stalled for now, but don’t discount a revival before Feb. 18 for these reasons: 1) The Blazers’ desperate need for a big man, and 2) Their ability to get ownership approval to take on money in the right deal.

• Miami also has expressed interest in Haywood, but sources say that would require taking on money in the deal – something Heat president Pat Riley has been unwilling to entertain.

• There are differing opinions in Utah as to what strategy to pursue with Carlos Boozer. Ownership wants to trade him to avoid paying luxury tax. Coach Jerry Sloan wants to keep him because he thinks the Jazz can make playoff noise. All in all, the Jazz might be better off keeping him because their payroll will be roughly $58 million – under the projected tax line – after his $12.7 million salary comes off the books this summer. But don’t discount a solution that would solve both problems: Trading Boozer to the Pistons, who have long coveted him, for Tayshaun Prince. Such a swap would give the Jazz a playoff-tested defender with length and all but get them out of the luxury tax for this season. Prince would be on the books for $9 million next season, but he’d be easy to trade because of his expiring contract. Plus, the difference between owing and receiving luxury tax money this season would be roughly a $7 million swing.

• Tracy McGrady’s level of availability – as in, very available – far exceeds the seriousness of the offers Houston has received, sources say. “A lot of talk,” is how one person in contact with Rockets officials characterized the status of the Free T-Mac campaign. Ditto for Amar’e Stoudemire in Phoenix.

• While there are only a few select buyers in the trade market, there are about two dozen sellers – but none more serious than the Sixers. Philadelphia is said to be open to trading anyone and everyone, and the conversations always start with the guys with the most money committed to them: Elton Brand, Samuel Dalembert, and Iguodala. Good luck.

• On an unrelated note, former Knick John Starks attracted a star-studded crowd in New York City Tuesday night for a celebrity bowling tournament benefiting the John Starks Foundation, which provides college scholarships for kids in the New York City area and Starks’ native Tulsa, Okla. Hall of Famer Earl Monroe, actor Matthew Modine, and Knicks forward Al Harrington were among the headliners.
 
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Do my ears deceive me? Are the walls talking? I thought I heard some punk who had no idea how much Big Z's contract is worth up until last night just call me out... nah, probably dust in my ears.
 

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