Where we are currently at with the trading situation

[Walter White]

Heres how I think things are goin.

Guys who we probably really arent even lookin into

Richard Jefferson-There really hasn't been to many reports of him and Cleveland. Other teams maybe but not us too much. He would be a good fit but I think we are lookin bigger. We can't rip off Milwaukee twice can we?

Rip Hamilton- This is a guy I would like to see but there is no chance we get him. I already tried one over on Windhorst and he said there is NO WAY we trade with the Pistons.

Allen Iverson- See above. Allen Iverson has absolutely no place on this team. Talk about team killing cancer.



Pretty much crossed off the list

John Salmons - He obviously demands alot of shots and he could mess with our chemistry.

Michael Redd- He is hurt so he is done.

Gerald Wallace- Same with G. He showed us that it was smart not to go after him since he is injury prone (but Im praying he gets better and wish the best of luck to him).

Stephen Jackson- This is where the "pretty much" part comes in. Everything is good about him......except his contract but I think that is enough for us to avoid him because its so long term.

Antwan Jamison- Talented but I just dont think he is the type of PF that we need. Plus his contract is defenitly what turns it off.


Maybes

Vince Carter- Are we willing to take his 4 year contract? Thats probably the biggest question but obviously VC is exactly what were missin at the 2. Hes an all star and great player. Personally I don't think we will get him because we are gonna play it safe and not take any contracts that big. Our future is pretty important at this point. 3 year contracts we may take on, preferably 2 but 4?.........I cant see us doin it.

Mike Miller- Great contract with 2 years left but would we be willing to use Wally for just Mike? Or would we be better off lettin Wallys contract expire? I have heard numerous times if were gonna use Wally in a trade its defenitly gonna make a big impact and with Mike struggling lately and comin off injury....Im not sure were lookin into it too hard ( the Wolves even claim they arent lookin to trade Mike which I don't believe for one second).

Ron Artest- Now if THIS guy becomes available like reported....to me its an automatic to get him. GREAT defense and has a good relationship with Mike Brown. Plus he is honestly a good 3point shooter and scorer. This to me would push us over the top. Good contract too (1 year I believe?). The only issue is the chemistry which I don't think we will get him because of all the problems that follow him. With all of our success, Ferry is just the type of guy that wouldn't be lookin to get him. Hopefully he would change his mind because I know Ron is friends with Lebron, but chemistry is that important, NO risks.

Elton Brand- Hes kinda in the VC situation. He could make a big time impact but hes gettin older and has had some injury. The 4 year contract is the issue and Im not sure were goin for it. He would be a great fit at the 4 though.

Tracy McGrady- I really think we are on the other side of tryin to get him. His injuries are such a huge factor but you just can't cross him off the list because he is such a huge talent and complete player. If he was playing at his full potential playing along side Lebron. A couple of 6'8 superstars runnin with each other would be unstoppable. He only has 2 years on the contract too. Injuries is too big of an issues and I personally wouldn't look to hard into gettin him and thats probably how the staff feels.

So your probably now wondering who is a REAL good possiblities are after dismissing most of everbody.

The better deals

Marcus Camby- Extremely safe trade and very beneficial. Covers the most extreme issue we have of post depth and post defense. 2 years on his contract too.

Josh Howard- Young guy, good contract, good fit. The only question is if he is really available because Cuban is acting like hes not.

Brad Miller- Good contract and takes care of the post. Not as good of an option as Camby because Miller is softer and not half as good on D but his offense and skill can't be ignored. Im not sure we are willing to trade Wally for just Brad Miller though.

The possible "DREAM' players

I honestly can't describe how good of a possiblity it is to get these guys. Thats why they are dream possiblities. (most of these players may become possible because they are currently not happy and/or there team is not performing well)

Carlos Boozer
Andre Igoudala
Amare Stoudemire
Chris Bosh

Then there are the players nobody really knows about because they are well protected and are not out there in the media. Some situations will appear close to the deadline too. I kind of have a feeling we will get suprised by a player we get if we get one. This is just how I see things shapin up as of right now.

 

[Mr2400]

W&G said it would only be someone who is a significant upgrade. Because of that, i don't think Miller is really an option. I also don't see McGrady or Artest being traded.

 

[Hydroponic3385]

W&G said it would only be someone who is a significant upgrade. Because of that, i don't think Miller is really an option. I also don't see McGrady or Artest being traded.

False. W&G said the Cavs are looking at ALL possibilities (dream trade, bench upgrade like Camby/Miller level players, a smaller level player or waiver like Joe Smith, standing pat and not making a move) today. I see Marcus Camby and Brad Miller as the most realistic options. Funny thing is I told my cousin (another member of this board) back in the summer that I think Camby may very well be a Cav. I hope my guess turns out to be correct.

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

I would rather see VC or Josh Howard than Iguodala. The guy can't shoot to save his life.

 

[Mr2400]

I have a gut feeling that if a trade is made, it will be for a significant upgrade, and may not only include Wally, but, possibly our #1 pick, and even the possibility of Sasha if that given scenario is good enough.

That's what i was referring to. Obviously all options will be considered, but he thinks a move will only be made for a significant upgrade, which Mike Miller is not.

 

[gourimoko]

First, thanks for the post!

Second, my two cents...

Richard Jefferson: How can the Cavaliers ignore this guy? He's a solid option at the #2 spot, he worked very well in NJ's system playing off the ball, he's very consistent (far more than say, Salmons), and he's right for the price. I also wouldn't consider Wally+1st for Richard Jefferson rape. The Bucks NEED cap relief and have serious financial problems right now. They're liable to let a player walk (including Villanueva himself) if they can't get some salary off the books (i.e. Jefferson) so they can match offers. IMO, RJ will be traded, possibly with Villanueva as a package before this year's deadline. I'm certain the Cavaliers have their eye's on him. (Perhaps not Villanueva)

Vince Carter: You stated that he's a maybe and while I don't disagree with that assessment per se, I do think he's far less likely to be traded this year now that the Bucks are probably out of playoff contention. Unless something dramatic happens before the deadline, I think the Nets are pretty confident in getting the 8th seed this year. I don't see Carter getting traded. I hope I'm wrong though. BTW.. I think If we did land Vince Carter, it's game over for the rest of the NBA at least until 2010.

Mike Miller: I just can't imagine the Cavaliers making this trade. Then again, yeah I can, but I just don't see Mike Miller (especially with his recent problems) really being the option we want to upgrade the 2 spot. He'd come off the bench, and doesn't make us measurably better in the playoffs against Orlando, Boston, or the Celtics. Unless we're thinking of using his contract next year, coupled with Ben Wallace, as a trade chip for a big player (aka Bosh) then what's the point? Only as a last resort, I say. So it's not that I disagree with anything you said, because I don't. I just don't think the Cavaliers should get this guy because he certainly isn't the only wing player available -- with that said, he's just not worth it.

Elton Brand: Not much to say really, but I think if Ferry could land Brand for a reasonable sum, we'd do it. If he was cheap, it'd be in a heartbeat, his contract notwithstanding.

Brad Miller: Well, I do disagree here, big time. Brad Miller is a soft bum who gets dominated in the low post, can't play D to save his life, can only play backup C behind Big Z (where I'd prefer Andy anyway), and on top of all that - he's overpaid. The only way we pickup Brad Miller is if John Salmons tags along -- that's it.

Of all these options, Vince Carter is the best -- but as I said, I doubt he's even available. Of the available options that would be easy to make happen, RJ and CV of the Bucks are the best deal on the table. Better than Miller/Salmons because of RJs proven consistency and leadership ability. Salmons is a crybaby who complains if benched, tanking his own stats in protest. I'd make the trade to get Miller/Salmons, but only because Miller is an expiring next year and Salmons only makes $5M. I think Elton Brand is a great pickup too, but don't think we'll get him this season.

Of your dream deals, obviously Bosh is the best - with Amare being more realistic. If we could get Amare this year, I'd probably jizz in my pants. Promptly after washing my pants, I'd trade Amare for Bosh next year.

 

[Megamansilly]

I think if we could get brand for wally and a first we would have to do it he is a soild big and would be GREAT trade pieace to land bosh next season maybe him and a few firsts IDK but he would make the cavs alot better

 

[The Voice]

Boozer is a dream player? He's injury prone... nobody wants him here. Furthermore, he will just end up leaving when it's all said and done.

 

[The George]

i think that if we could get Brand without selling the farm then Danny would do it but it seems unlikely

that leads to Marcus Camby being the guy that makes sense for not only this year but also next with his defensive prowess and contract flexibility

AV and Camby coming off the bench for Ben and Z in the playoffs is going to be a sick rotation... not to mention JJ (cause no way Danny gives him up)

 

[Megamansilly]

I wouldnt be shocked anymore if we got amare!

 

[The George]

just dont see how people are seeing this Amare thing...

what do we have that could possibly entice them into trading us Amare???

 

[flamez]

I think alot of the people are going by what W&G said about two "dream trade" scenarios that are available.

They heard that and are assuming that one of those options is Amare.

I just don't see Phoenix trading Amare right now, especially to us. We have nothing that would entice them. They would want high draft picks (lottery), along with some young talent. We don't have high draft picks and our best young talent would be J.J. Hickson. I think they would want more than just J.J.

I personally like Bosh more than Amare. Bosh has a better post up game and is better defensively. Also I think Amare wants to be the "MAN" on a team and over here he will be a second option. Could he deal with that??


I don't think we will get Bosh or Amare at this years trade deadline. I think the dream trades that W&G was talking about is something else.

 

[The George]

can someone link this dream scenario thing from W&G for me... I must have missed it

I would really appreciate it

 

[David]

i think that if we could get Brand without selling the farm then Danny would do it but it seems unlikely

that leads to Marcus Camby being the guy that makes sense for not only this year but also next with his defensive prowess and contract flexibility

AV and Camby coming off the bench for Ben and Z in the playoffs is going to be a sick rotation... not to mention JJ (cause no way Danny gives him up)

Yeah, We would have an insane about of rebounds per game as well as interior D and great scoring options.


What about Kaman? Isn't he like 26?

 

[The George]

i just dont think that 1) the clippers are into dealing Kamen and 2) he fits into what Ferry is thinking long term

I think the plan is to trade for Camby and then dangle Ben and some other assets for a guy like Bosh next year and still have Camby as our defensive big man (and he is still expiring in 2010 as well)

maybe I am wrong...I wouldnt be too upset with Kamen I am just not sure he fits our plans as much as Camby does