Windy: Cavs reconstructing roster, predicts "full rebuild" (post #514)

[kovanovich]

Re: Windy: Cavs reconstructing roster, predicts "full rebuild" on NBATV (post #514)

I'm 21 years old. Rather than watch old players with bad contracts duke it out for 35-40 wins and be mired in mediocrity for 5 years, I'd rather watch a young exciting up and coming team rebuild with draft picks and acquire the stars of tomorrow.

Anyone who disagrees...is wrong.

You obviously won't remember, but one of the most exciting Cavs' teams in my lifetime was the 1986-87 team that went something like 32-50. That was the rookie year of Harper, Daugherty, Hot Rod Williams, and Price. We can't hope to assemble a rookie core like that again, but that's the sort of team I hope we have. The team was exciting, but still earned a top 10 lottery pick which allowed them to add Kevin Johnson, who Wayne Embry quicked traded for Larry Nance. The next year the team won 57 games.

 

[AMC]

I was thinking, the Thunder held on to Nick Collison since the Sonic days, and its because of his hustle, and rebounding. He did have a long contract, but still, they did hang on to him.

It might be smart to keep Andy to show some hustle to give energy to a young team.

 

[TheRealTruth23]

I was thinking, the Thunder held on to Nick Collison since the Sonic days, and its because of his hustle, and rebounding. He did have a long contract, but still, they did hang on to him.

It might be smart to keep Andy to show some hustle to give energy to a young team.

I understand what you're saying but nicks value was never anywhere near andersons is right now

 

[Chris]

People who think Green, Gibson, Hickson, and Powe are a good core to build around..just have me shaking my head in confusion. When will we realize that the NBA is built on STARS? None of these players are anywhere near All Star caliber, so saying we should build around them is laughable at best and criminal at worst.

 

[Triumph36]

I was thinking, the Thunder held on to Nick Collison since the Sonic days, and its because of his hustle, and rebounding. He did have a long contract, but still, they did hang on to him.

It might be smart to keep Andy to show some hustle to give energy to a young team.

They're not really comparable.

Collison is 30 when the season starts, and OKC is done with their rebuild and ready to compete. Varejao is 28 when the season starts, and we are just starting the rebuild. By the time we are ready to legitimately compete he's going to be like 32. OKC had essentially a flawless rebuild, we shouldn't expect ours to be that fast/efficient/successful.

Keeping him would be a waste.

 

[LeAME]

4 team trade that I think would help all involved:

Cavs trade Varejao to Houston, West to Philadelphia along with 12.3 mil trade exception for LeDouche and Williams to Indiana.

Houston trades Ariza to Cleveland, D.Anderson to Philadelphia, and Jordan Hill to Indiana along with a 2nd round pick to Indiana

Indiana trades TJ Ford to Cleveland and Jeff Foster to Houston

Philadelphia trades Iguodala to Cleveland

Cleveland gets

Ariza 3 years 6.3mil
Ford 1 year 8.5 mil
Iguodala 4 years 12.3 mil

Houston would get a good back up center in Foster, and a great energy guy in Varejao and could plug Battier back into the starting lineup at SF

Philadelphia would get some cap relief when they waive Delonte and they would get a cheap center in Anderson at 2.5mil/2years.

Indiana gets Williams at the pg for 2 years and also gets a raw, former top ten pick in Hill at forward and a future 2nd round pick that won't cost them as much as a late first.

Moon and Parker could be traded during the season as both contracts and players would fit a lot of teams.

Then trade Jamison to New York for Curry and Chandler - Curry off the books the next year and Chandler as well - young guy who may fit Scott's system.

Cavs:

Ford/Gibson/Telfair
Iguodala/Green/Eyenga
Ariza/Chandler
Hickson/Powe
Curry/Kahn

The next year Ford and Curry are off the books and you draft a point guard or trade with Minnesota for one of theirs. Kahn takes over at center and then make a run at Marc Gasol.

And yes, I have smoked tonight

 

[Pioneer10]

But being bad is good

28 is old for a guy whose game revolves around energy and athleticism, as cavsguy said. He will be damn near useless by the time we actually compete again, and he'd give us the best return now. No reason to hold onto him IMO. If you want tall front court players sign them for the min or whatever. This team needs to compile as many young players/draft picks as they can and trading AV will play a big part in that. If we're a little undersized up front then yay, we'll get a better draft pick.

He's not untouchable but I'd put him lower on the list of guys who should go behind guys like Mo and Jamison. We have players behing them you can play those spots but AV is the only length we have on the roster right now. I do think for the young guys, it would be a good idea to have a guy who hustles and will at least allow us to compete. Perfectly fine with losing but don't want to get into situations like the Clippers where we they just don't seem to want to compete out there and losing has just seeped into all there players whether they have talent or not.

 

[TJ Detweiler]

4 team trade that I think would help all involved:

Cavs trade Varejao to Houston, West to Philadelphia along with 12.3 mil trade exception for LeDouche and Williams to Indiana.

Houston trades Ariza to Cleveland, D.Anderson to Philadelphia, and Jordan Hill to Indiana along with a 2nd round pick to Indiana

Indiana trades TJ Ford to Cleveland and Jeff Foster to Houston

Philadelphia trades Iguodala to Cleveland

Cleveland gets

Ariza 3 years 6.3mil
Ford 1 year 8.5 mil
Iguodala 4 years 12.3 mil

Houston would get a good back up center in Foster, and a great energy guy in Varejao and could plug Battier back into the starting lineup at SF

Philadelphia would get some cap relief when they waive Delonte and they would get a cheap center in Anderson at 2.5mil/2years.

Indiana gets Williams at the pg for 2 years and also gets a raw, former top ten pick in Hill at forward and a future 2nd round pick that won't cost them as much as a late first.

Moon and Parker could be traded during the season as both contracts and players would fit a lot of teams.

Then trade Jamison to New York for Curry and Chandler - Curry off the books the next year and Chandler as well - young guy who may fit Scott's system.

Cavs:

Ford/Gibson/Telfair
Iguodala/Green/Eyenga
Ariza/Chandler
Hickson/Powe
Curry/Kahn

The next year Ford and Curry are off the books and you draft a point guard or trade with Minnesota for one of theirs. Kahn takes over at center and then make a run at Marc Gasol.

And yes, I have smoked tonight

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

We are going to be very bad fellas. Trust me. How exactly do you think we are going to score?

The only guys on this team that can score and Mo, JJ, and Jamison. That is it. And we haven't even seen if JJ can get his own shots yet.

Don't worry about winning 45 games and missing the lottery, because that isn't going to happen if our roster looks close to the same going into the season.

 

[dr aj]

We need a center! Al Jefferson is gone now...Maybe we can grab a center from Dallas...

 

[sam_slam911]

Forget Marvin Williams, don't see much talent there at all. If the Lowry signing goes through, the player I'm looking at immediately is Thaddeus Young. Will be 22 when the season starts and he's phenomenally talented, a very multidimensional player too. Speights would be a good aquisition from
Philly too, they might want Andy at center to boost the defense.

I'm expecting the 3 vets, Mo, Andy and Jamison, to be gone. They have no use on a rebuilding team and all 3 could be huge pieces for contenders.

 

[Smooth]

I think we're starting to get a better picture of what the Cavs are really looking to do and what kind of process they're looking to do..

It doesn't look like they want to tear down the whole roster but will rather listen to offers for players like Mo, Jamison, Varejao and all the other veterans...

It seems like Grant & Gilbert are attempting to rebuild on the fly... From the names they've been linked to so far (Flynn, Sessions, Conley, Lowry, Childress, Brewer, Jefferson, etc.) it seems like they want to try and get young pieces in here that can contribute now but also be key pieces down the road... All the guys they've targeted so far have been experienced enough to play right away but also be young enough to be a part of the core..

While it may not be the right move, this is what they're attempting to do... It seems like they don't want to completely rebuild but they also don't want to be stuck in mediocrity by going strictly for the playoffs so they're trying to do a combination of both...

 

[WhoWeAre]

I think we're starting to get a better picture of what the Cavs are really looking to do and what kind of process they're looking to do..

It doesn't look like they want to tear down the whole roster but will rather listen to offers for players like Mo, Jamison, Varejao and all the other veterans...

It seems like Grant & Gilbert are attempting to rebuild on the fly... From the names they've been linked to so far (Flynn, Sessions, Conley, Lowry, Childress, Brewer, Jefferson, etc.) it seems like they want to try and get young pieces in here that can contribute now but also be key pieces down the road... All the guys they've targeted so far have been experienced enough to play right away but also be young enough to be a part of the core..

While it may not be the right move, this is what they're attempting to do... It seems like they don't want to completely rebuild but they also don't want to be stuck in mediocrity by going strictly for the playoffs so they're trying to do a combination of both...

This is a VERY quick judgement.

First of all -- why the hell can't we try to build on the fly up until the trade deadline, and if we aren't successful, then tank the rest of the season and unload salary? We're probably going to be "tanking" regardless.

Second of all -- all of the players you listed could very well be part of a FULL rebuild.

This whole "mediocrity" and "full rebuild" vs. "rebuilding on the fly" is a bunch of semantics BS.

 

[jason436]

Okay my questions is what happens if there is a lockout following this season and say it runs the whole season. Would they reuse the same draft order? I would imagine it would be decided in the CBA.

Hypothetically if we're rebuilding get a high pick take a year off and get to draft high again because of a lockout that would be a great start to rebuilding.

 

[ACDC_Rocks024]

I want to be the next OKC. They are without a doubt one of the most exciting teams in the NBA, and the fact that they're so damn young makes it that much more exciting. It all starts with one franchise player, our KD. And we just keep those young'uns comin'. The sooner, the better, but I say keep Mo unless a golden opportunity appears, and don't just trade him to trade him. He is now our x-factor, and our most exciting player, sadly. But he's the face and personality. The leader of this team until we're ready to deal him for something actually worth it.