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Would you rather make the playoffs or keep the pick?

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What is your preferred outcome?

  • Make playoffs and lose our 1st round pick

    Votes: 51 44.7%

  • Miss playoffs and keep our 1st round pick

    Votes: 63 55.3%
  • Total voters
    114
If I could give Altman truth serum and ask him what his plans were for Sexton, LeVert, and the shape of the roster overall this summer and how a lottery pick could or would change those plans I would be able to answer this much more decisively.

Ultimately, I believe we have the core pieces and the available assets going forward with or without the pick to be able to root for this team to make the playoffs without a huge hit my team-building conscience of which I have a particularly sensitive one. I’m big into picks, young guys, etc.

There is also something to be said for conveying a pick we owe right now and thus being free of debt and an extra year of Stepien-rule limitations on our future flexibility that would come with keeping the pick this year. If we keep the pick this year the next first round pick we can trade is in 2025.

So I’m okay with giving up the 15th-18th pick now because we may be right back picking 15-18 next year. If we beat the Nets Tuesday I think we’re looking at probably sending away the 17th or 18th pick? Not ideal I was hoping to convey the 24th pick. If next year we take a leap and keep the 25th pick or something really amazing…we’re in such a good spot that it doesn’t matter.

Furthermore, delaying the start of a rookie year deal one more year with the money we are potentially and likely to start handing out is also a benefit to picking next year instead. Especially we draft a good rookie capable of contributing immediately which is the type of guy you’d expect us to target this year or next year then the extra year of seasoning for that specific is less important, and it’s arguably more important for that guy to be a rookie after Mobley has had two years of seasoning and Garland is beginning to get paid with his first year of his max extension. If he’s supposed to be an additive player to our current stars, let us get that extra rookie year out of him while our stars are closer to championship caliber players than wasting that year while our stars are still working on themselves and going through bigger growing pains.

So I don’t think it’s even necessarily a clear 100% team building victory to keep the pick this summer. So many other variables. You may prefer to pick 22nd in a wing heavy deep draft versus 14 in a shallow top heavy draft depending what your top evaluators see the situation as being.

So I’m rooting for the playoffs, y’all. But don’t get me wrong, if we fall short there are certainly silver linings- the last week of games plus the next two games especially have been and are going to be very much comparable to playoff-like atmospheres and we will get that experience no matter what. So if we do fall short and keep the pick, it’s not like our guys didn’t get any chance to play meaningful POST REGULAR SEASON basketball. And if we lose it just means we really weren’t ready to make the playoffs even as a 7 or 8 seed and maybe keeping our pick is for the best. And anything could happen next year and we could end up only conveying 2nd rounders though that would potentially be because something went wrong developmentally or health-wise with the team next year.

So yeah, I agree go Cavs #hornyforCavs
 
Allen did a full pregame workout with the left hand. Split is off and he was taped.
My hunch is he is going to give it a try on Tuesday.
If they lose to the Nets (likely although they played them pretty tough last week), the 8 seed game would be in Cleveland. This team can beat Atlanta or Charlotte.
I’m stoked. I want a series and it will be pure joy whether they win or lose.
 
I don't think we're going to beat the Nets.

I do think we're going to beat either Atlanta or Charlotte.

I'm perfectly content though if we don't win and keep our pick. I don't see a scenario in either direction where I'm unhappy, so that's good.
 

Pop, with a lengthy expository answer to the question of why come the Spurs went for the play-in instead of turning in a full-steam-ahead tank job:

“There’s a lot to unpack there. Part of it is, it’s just not who we are. I think the young players gain a real understanding of a philosophically moral space where it’s the right thing to do, to continue to compete. Frankly, I don’t know how I would go to my team and say ‘OK guys, we’re not going to compete the way we should’ or how you’s get that across, or with a wink and a nod. I think you do the players a disservice if they’re not able to go out and perform at the best of their ability. I think the lessons to be learned are very important as their careers advance. You hope that in the long run, that value they gain from that will help them compete at an even higher level later. I understand the opposite, I just can’t do it.”
 
Derek said:
I’m good. Just enjoying the ride and agreeing to stop bothering people alone with my wild takes.
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Why? No one else seems to care if they bother anyone with wild takes. :chuckle:
 
Kepler said:

Pop, with a lengthy expository answer to the question of why come the Spurs went for the play-in instead of turning in a full-steam-ahead tank job:

“There’s a lot to unpack there. Part of it is, it’s just not who we are. I think the young players gain a real understanding of a philosophically moral space where it’s the right thing to do, to continue to compete. Frankly, I don’t know how I would go to my team and say ‘OK guys, we’re not going to compete the way we should’ or how you’s get that across, or with a wink and a nod. I think you do the players a disservice if they’re not able to go out and perform at the best of their ability. I think the lessons to be learned are very important as their careers advance. You hope that in the long run, that value they gain from that will help them compete at an even higher level later. I understand the opposite, I just can’t do it.”
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He knows way less about these things than the members of this board.
 
CavsFan07 said:
I don't think we're going to beat the Nets.

I do think we're going to beat either Atlanta or Charlotte.

I'm perfectly content though if we don't win and keep our pick. I don't see a scenario in either direction where I'm unhappy, so that's good.
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Well, Atlanta did whoop up on us the last game, so I wouldn't say I'm confident that a W is a lock against them.
 
Pop's mentality has always been mine tbh.

The actual act of competing is the point of playing. You should always be competing to the best of your ability, even if that means you can't/won't win a title. The title is a prize, but the competition itself is the purpose.
 
buzzdog said:
Kind of a strawman. Nobody is saying the Cavs will or should intentionally lose games. Fan's preferences one way or another have no effect on what the coaches and players do.
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I wouldn't call it a straw man, as fashionable as it may be to use that phrase on the internet, as I wasn't making an argument of any kind.
 
I expect us to lose the first playin to Bkn and hopefully lose the 2nd one too. Will be nice to see some intense games tho
 
foucault87 said:
I expect us to lose the first playin to Bkn and hopefully lose the 2nd one too. Will be nice to see some intense games tho
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A remarkable turn around.

From telling me I was gonna eat crow when they get a top 4 seed about a month and a half ago to openly rooting for them to lose the play-in games.
 
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