WWE/NXT/AEW/NJPW Thread

[Jack Brickman]

Gotta love that the go-home Raw for the second biggest PPV of the year ends with three part-timers staring each other down.

 

[Bill Walton.]

Gotta love that the go-home Raw for the second biggest PPV of the year ends with three part-timers staring each other down.

What else did you expect?

 

[Kizzle]

Part timers run the bussiness

Someone please explain to me how WWE will even exist in 10 years after ignoring full time talent for years

Who they gonna bring back and have Goldbergs effecT?


Fandango?

 

[Jack Brickman]

Part timers run the bussiness

Someone please explain to me how WWE will even exist in 10 years after ignoring full time talent for years

Who they gonna bring back and have Goldbergs effecT?


Fandango?

Cena and Orton, probably.

 

[Real Deal]

Maybe they shouldve ended it with Reigns throwing everybody over the top rope and a roar of boos.

Besides a GONG!!! What else can get the crowd to mark out? Maybe Lana showing her puppies, but what else? You sit there and talk about part time this or part time that. Who cares, man. It's TV, it's entertainment, it's wrasslin.

Lesnar is the money maker.

Undertaker likes Cleveland.

Goldberg is authorized to be there the most to promote the rumble.

The part time Lesnar also had a kick ass fucking shirt on if you didn't notice.

It's going to be funny when Kurt Angles music hits in the Rumble and the ol' part timer comes about.

Nothing pisses me off more than the part timer complaining. They come and go, so what. What belts do they hold currently?

What you want KO/Jericho to end the show bullshitting on the mic?

They did it right. Right enough to entice fans to buy their product Sunday.

 

[JDailey23]

Goldberg is so terrible. I'm more looking forward to Mania to never see him again after it's over.
The Taker appearance saved the ending.

 

[bigfoot5415]

Cena and Orton, probably.

Oh God. That just sounds terrible.

 

[Derek]

I fell asleep after Goldberg botched his promo for the 3rd time. Didn't even know Taker came out until I looked at the dirt sheets this morning.

 

[TheLand1287]

Gotta love that the go-home Raw for the second biggest PPV of the year ends with three part-timers staring each other down.

And you wanted... what?

@Real Deal nailed it in his post.

 

[Jack Brickman]

Maybe they shouldve ended it with Reigns throwing everybody over the top rope and a roar of boos.

Besides a GONG!!! What else can get the crowd to mark out? Maybe Lana showing her puppies, but what else? You sit there and talk about part time this or part time that. Who cares, man. It's TV, it's entertainment, it's wrasslin.

Lesnar is the money maker.

Undertaker likes Cleveland.

Goldberg is authorized to be there the most to promote the rumble.

The part time Lesnar also had a kick ass fucking shirt on if you didn't notice.

It's going to be funny when Kurt Angles music hits in the Rumble and the ol' part timer comes about.

Nothing pisses me off more than the part timer complaining. They come and go, so what. What belts do they hold currently?

What you want KO/Jericho to end the show bullshitting on the mic?

They did it right. Right enough to entice fans to buy their product Sunday.

Personally, I think the WWE should be working on building up new stars rather than relying on part-timers to draw. It's just continuing the cycle of not getting anyone properly over by focusing the biggest PPVs of the year on guys who wrestle three times a year (or less for Taker).

I get the idea of having the crowd pop to the Undertaker's music, but they literally focused the ending of the build to the Royal Rumble on three guys who we will probably only see a handful of times over the next year instead of on full-timers, or even just doing the tried and true massive brawl ending that involves most of Raw's Rumble participants.

I also hate, fucking hate, that the Undertaker came back on Smackdown and made a big deal about that being his brand, but now he's just showing up on Raw for absolutely no reason other than Smackdown beat Raw in the ratings for one week and Vince will not let that stand. The Undertaker claimed Smackdown as his brand like two months ago and it's already been totally forgotten.

 

[Kizzle]

Maybe they shouldve ended it with Reigns throwing everybody over the top rope and a roar of boos.

Besides a GONG!!! What else can get the crowd to mark out? Maybe Lana showing her puppies, but what else? You sit there and talk about part time this or part time that. Who cares, man. It's TV, it's entertainment, it's wrasslin.

Lesnar is the money maker.

Undertaker likes Cleveland.

Goldberg is authorized to be there the most to promote the rumble.

The part time Lesnar also had a kick ass fucking shirt on if you didn't notice.

It's going to be funny when Kurt Angles music hits in the Rumble and the ol' part timer comes about.

Nothing pisses me off more than the part timer complaining. They come and go, so what. What belts do they hold currently?

What you want KO/Jericho to end the show bullshitting on the mic?

They did it right. Right enough to entice fans to buy their product Sunday.

But how entertaining was it really? It will be a nice poster or segment for the Rumble video package. It may even bring 1000s of people who weren't gonna watch the Rumble to sign up for the free trial. But guess what? When the rumble is over and Wrestlemania season is over and all these guy leave all those fans will LEAVE. They won't stay to watch people who have been pushed to the side because of Taker and Goldberg. They don't hold belts but belts don't really mean shit in WWE right now look at the Universal champion. At every turn he's made to look like Roman Reign's little bitch, except 2 Monday's ago when Owens FINALLY got one up on him.

We get mad when WWE abuses the appearances of part timers because it takes the spotlight from full time talent. Those are the guys that drive the product all year and they get pushed back so Goldberg can come and botch a promo man get the fuxk out of here.

You can be tired of ppl complaining about part timers all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a problem. You say it's best for business and if it makes money it's good for WWE but that's a shortsighted way to see the business and it's not the way HHH sees WWE. That's not the way ANY good business men and women in any field see business. Why make a million today when you can make 10 million in a year?

I totally get your point about these guys coming back brings money in and makes promoting easier but as an example why didn't Kevin Owens Music hit when Undertaker's was done and why didn't he call all 3 of them out? That would give the Universal champ more credibility. Why not Rusev come out and interrupt? He's gonna be here a long time why not give him the rub?

Why push Undertaker and Goldberg as more important than everyone else on the roster today when you can use them to build Rollins, Cesaro, Bray, Reigns, Strowman, Owens, Zayn up and have your company set with stars that SELL MERCH for The next decade? Wwe blows their load on shit like this too soon all the time and most times the payoff isn't even that good. I don't think it's crazy that ppl complain about part timers and Stephanie being put over everyone on the show. It's a huge problem and it's a huge reason why people think the WWE won't be around in 10 years

 

[JDailey23]

Personally, I think the WWE should be working on building up new stars rather than relying on part-timers to draw. It's just continuing the cycle of not getting anyone properly over by focusing the biggest PPVs of the year on guys who wrestle three times a year (or less for Taker).

I get the idea of having the crowd pop to the Undertaker's music, but they literally focused the ending of the build to the Royal Rumble on three guys who we will probably only see a handful of times over the next year instead of on full-timers, or even just doing the tried and true massive brawl ending that involves most of Raw's Rumble participants.

I also hate, fucking hate, that the Undertaker came back on Smackdown and made a big deal about that being his brand, but now he's just showing up on Raw for absolutely no reason other than Smackdown beat Raw in the ratings for one week and Vince will not let that stand. The Undertaker claimed Smackdown as his brand like two months ago and it's already been totally forgotten.

This is silly. The last couple weeks they haven't even been around. If you look at any of the Raw's before a major PPV with a past/PT star, they always bring in someone to build it up. This is no different. If this really bugs you I'd advise to stop watching till May, this is WM season and its all about the history of the company.

 

[Real Deal]

But how entertaining was it really? It will be a nice poster or segment for the Rumble video package. It may even bring 1000s of people who weren't gonna watch the Rumble to sign up for the free trial. But guess what? When the rumble is over and Wrestlemania season is over and all these guy leave all those fans will LEAVE. They won't stay to watch people who have been pushed to the side because of Taker and Goldberg. They don't hold belts but belts don't really mean shit in WWE right now look at the Universal champion. At every turn he's made to look like Roman Reign's little bitch, except 2 Monday's ago when Owens FINALLY got one up on him.

We get mad when WWE abuses the appearances of part timers because it takes the spotlight from full time talent. Those are the guys that drive the product all year and they get pushed back so Goldberg can come and botch a promo man get the fuxk out of here.

You can be tired of ppl complaining about part timers all you want but it doesn't change the fact that it's still a problem. You say it's best for business and if it makes money it's good for WWE but that's a shortsighted way to see the business and it's not the way HHH sees WWE. That's not the way ANY good business men and women in any field see business. Why make a million today when you can make 10 million in a year?

Why push Undertaker and Goldberg as more important than everyone else on the roster today when you can use them to build Rollins, Cesaro, Bray, Reigns, Strowman, Owens, Zayn up and have your company set with stars that SELL MERCH for The next decade? Wwe blows their load on shit like this too soon all the time and most times the payoff isn't even that good. I don't think it's crazy that ppl complain about part timers and Stephanie being put over everyone on the show. It's a huge problem and it's a huge reason why people think the WWE won't be around in 10 years

WWE are doing a damn good job at pushing talent at the moment and also mixing in the legends. They have to appeal everybody in sports entertainment. It's the only sport where legends can come back and be effective, so they take advantage of the rating pull/money grab. Goldberg/Lesnar/Taker is not taking anything away from the current roster. I bet the current roster even marks out at the story writing for the legends.

KO is still getting his push, establishing his reign, working the mic at every opportunity. Cesaro has a title actually. If it wasn't for injury Finn Balor and KO could've worked a ln amazing feud. Don't sit there and make it sound like the part time legends are burying these guys, because that what it sounds like. The Raw ending was more satisfying than what usually happens. A predictable all out teaser rumble before the rumble.

Taker really shocked the party and that was unpredictable on a predictable ass show.

They will never fade out the legends to your liking. They're the reason why WWE is still around. Now if 1 of them 3 guys wins the rumble then complain about something.

 

[Kizzle]

This is silly. The last couple weeks they haven't even been around. If you look at any of the Raw's before a major PPV with a past/PT star, they always bring in someone to build it up. This is no different. If this really bugs you I'd advise to stop watching till May, this is WM season and its all about the history of the company.

Were all just gonna have to agree to disagree.

The Wrestlemania's these guys got left in them will be special but what about in 5-10 years when Taker is gone, Lesnar is gone, Goldberg probably won't be back after THIS Wrestlemania. Cena will probably be gone. Rock will still be making one off appearances but won't be wrestling. Austin, Michaels will probably still make appearances but won't wrestle. HHH will be retired by then, Kane as well.


In the very near future this show is gonna have to be DRIVEN by the guys that WWE consistently pushes to the back burner.

It's so easy to give the rub to the full guys when these part timer starts come back. All I'm asking for is one segment. These guys have a lot of respect from fans. Would it have killed WWE to have Austin share a beer with Dean Ambrose and drop one Stunner with Dean in the ring then have Dean hit a Dirty Deeds?

But no WWE would rather air a podcast where Austin calls Dean out. Not saying that podcast was bad because Dean is my favorite guy after AJ Styles but cmon man. At lest TRY to build guys up WWE WTF

 

[Kizzle]

WWE are doing a damn good job at pushing talent at the moment and also mixing in the legends. They have to appeal everybody in sports entertainment. It's the only sport where legends can come back and be effective, so they take advantage of the rating pull/money grab. Goldberg/Lesnar/Taker is not taking anything away from the current roster. I bet the current roster even marks out at the story writing for the legends.

KO is still getting his push, establishing his reign, working the mic at every opportunity. Cesaro has a title actually. If it wasn't for injury Finn Balor and KO could've worked a ln amazing feud. Don't sit there and make it sound like the part time legends are burying these guys, because that what it sounds like. The Raw ending was more satisfying than what usually happens. A predictable all out teaser rumble before the rumble.

Taker really shocked the party and that was unpredictable on a predictable ass show.

They will never fade out the legends to your liking. They're the reason why WWE is still around. Now if 1 of them 3 guys wins the rumble then complain about something.

The legends bury young talent every time they appear. I feel IF were a full time young talent I wouldn't want to be told that I'm in a segment with a legend. Because I know I'm not going over. Wyatt family and the Rock? Foley, Michaels and Austin VS League of Nations? Rusev VS any legend that ever comes back? Bray VS Undertaker.

Only guy that escaped that curse was Roman Reigns who got to have a cool RAW moment with a legend and double spear Brawn Strowman. And he only got that because Vince loves the man.

But I will acknowledge the WWEs attempts to put the Universal championship on a new guy to build him. I'm not gonna act like I don't realize they want that belt on a young face but they need MORE of that mindset.


Look at Smackdown. They've somehow managed to give freaking Apollo Crews at least a HINT of emotion. They are TRYING over there. Look at Corbin, Carmella, American Alpha. Those are guys that weren't established when they went to SD and no people at least kinda care about them