You have to think it's Crabtree at #5

[col63onel]

I like Crabtree over Orakpo for 2 main reasons:

Orakpo is only a pass rusher. In most 3-4 schemes (think Pit, Bal, SD) the OLB is almost purely a pass rushing position. However, in Bellichick's 3-4, the OLB has a lot more "traditional" LB responsibilities (i.e. zone coverage). Romeo was like that, and I have a feeling Mangini will be like that, too. He wants an OLB that can do it all (blitz, tackle and cover), and that's not Orakpo.

Crabtree fits a West Coast Offense pretty good, and I am assuming that Mangini/Daboll will go the WCO route, as most Bellichick assistants do. Braylon is better in a more down-the-field offense. It wouldn't surprise to see Braylon traded and have Crabtree as the #1 of the future.

 

[AZ_]

The only reason Crabtree is sliding is because he won't be healthy at the beginning of the preseason. Since (let's be honest) the Browns are rebuilding, I have no problem with a guy who has great long-term potential but may have a rough start to his rookie season.

Nor do I, that's why the Browns take Orakpo at 5.

 

[AZ_]

Crabtree fits a West Coast Offense pretty good, and I am assuming that Mangini/Daboll will go the WCO route, as most Bellichick assistants do. Braylon is better in a more down-the-field offense. It wouldn't surprise to see Braylon traded and have Crabtree as the #1 of the future.

Umm...based on what exactly?

The guy hasn't played in anything close to a NFL offense, especially one like the WCO.

It is hard for any receiver to translate to the WCO, much less coming from a school with an offense like TTU which runs like 7-10 plays.

He's also never had a chance to prove he's as athletic as the other WRs because he hasn't been able to work out.

His entire draft stock is based on hype right now....to be honest that scares the hell out of me.

 

[MoFlo]

I wouldn't have a problem w/ Crabtree at 5..

I'd prefer defense there, but I wouldn't have a problem w/ Crabtree, as it would fill a need

I really hope we play smash mouth football.. the way Cleveland Browns football is supposed to be played!!

Run the ball more, give Harrison more touches.. have Lewis strictly between the tackles, Harrison outside. Always hated that Romeo never gave Harrison a fair shake.

Forget about all this fancy passing bullsh!t.. use the run to set up the pass

 

[WestFo3]

Trade down... Philly trades 21 and 28 and takes Crabtree at 5..

Browns draft Chris Wells at 21
Browns draft James or Rey at 28

OLB at 36 Then WR at 50.

 

[Da_James_Gang]

If Philly was willing to trade the 21st/28th picks to get Crabtree who i think they would love to get then i would be all over that. But i would look at English or Matthews at that 21st pick and with the 28th maybe a receiver or rb.............

 

[WestFo3]

If Philly was willing to trade the 21st/28th picks to get Crabtree who i think they would love to get then i would be all over that. But i would look at English or Matthews at that 21st pick and with the 28th maybe a receiver or rb.............

No way do I want Matthews a workout warrior at 21. English at 28 yes and Wells at 21 WR has a ton of depth and I like RoBo at 50. Maybe even Crushing falls to 21 then you take him at 21 and then maybe H. Nicks at 28 then RB at 36 like McCoy. I'd love to get 2 first round picks it would help this team alot to add a first round RB and a first round LB and a first round WR like the McCoy, English, Nicks case does.

Edit: wouldnt even mind maybe Crushing at 21 then English at 28 then McCoy at 36. Crushing can play ILB and English is going to be a STUD OLB. I'm very high on McCoy and Wells.

 

[Da_James_Gang]

I'm not sure if Wells will make it to 21 and i don't see English making it to 28. English, Matthews and Cushing will be gone by 28 imo but its a possibility that all 3 will be there at 21. I think English or Cushing will go to the Patriots, Falcons need a linebacker and so do the Dolphins.....

 

[PIP]

Yeah, exactly what a team full of garbage needs... The more and more I think about it, the dumber the idea becomes...

There's no rational reason to select a WR at #5 with a defense that is so damn poor as the Browns..

They don't have a stable QB situation... Don't have a stable running game either... Have only one decent defensive player that is worth his money.. So of course, the route that makes the most sense is drafting a WR ?

Their first 3 selections should be defensive players...

The Steelers don't have great receivers... Both Holmes and Ward (even when Ward was in his prime) were not elite receivers... The Patriots won 3 of these things with Troy Brown/Deion Branch holding down the spot... The Bucs won with Keenan McCardell and an old KeyShawn Johnson playing wideout... The Ravens didn't have great receivers either...

Sure, some teams have won it with offense.. Rams and perhaps the Colts (although Harrison was a non factor and the Colts defense picked up that year during the playoffs)-- But, if you look at teams this decade, most of them won due to defense... Patriots 3 times--Steelers 2 times--Bucs and Giants.. All those teams had top defenses...

We have to catch up on that side of the ball first... We have to have someone that can get pressure off the edge for this team...

 

[hit squad]

Yeah, exactly what a team full of garbage needs... The more and more I think about it, the dumber the idea becomes...

There's no rational reason to select a WR at #5 with a defense that is so damn poor as the Browns..

They don't have a stable QB situation... Don't have a stable running game either... Have only one decent defensive player that is worth his money.. So of course, the route that makes the most sense is drafting a WR ?

Their first 3 selections should be defensive players...

The Steelers don't have great receivers... Both Holmes and Ward (even when Ward was in his prime) were not elite receivers... The Patriots won 3 of these things with Troy Brown/Deion Branch holding down the spot... The Bucs won with Keenan McCardell and an old KeyShawn Johnson playing wideout... The Ravens didn't have great receivers either...

Sure, some teams have won it with offense.. Rams and perhaps the Colts (although Harrison was a non factor and the Colts defense picked up that year during the playoffs)-- But, if u look at teams this decade, most of them won due to defense... Patriots 3 times--Steelers 2 times--Bucs and Giants.. All those teams had top defenses...

We have to catch up on that side of the ball first... We have to have someone that can get pressure off the edge for this team...

Yes it should be a defense but with all the pickups in free agency The seconday is set besides a safety (Moore will be pick 50)you have 4 middle linebacker for 2 spots,3 outside linebackers (hopefully 4th is Barwin at 36)and depth at the line.So why pick the first 3 when no defensive player is worth the 5th besides curry. The offense didt light the world on fire last year and we lost one of our better options on at side of the feild.

 

[PIP]

I want Curry, but I do believe Orakpo is a much better rusher than Curry... And just cause we signed average FA's to fill voids it doesn't mean we should neglect the defense when #5 comes around... There's one playmaker on defense on this team...

Even if a guy takes a year to develop like Mario Williams, I still want a major force coming at the QB from the defensive side of the ball...

WR's are a dime a dozen... We drafted a "can't miss" WR 4 years ago in the top 3... The Lions drafted what was supposed to be the best receiver to perhaps enter an NFL draft since Moss, and he's not made a damn bit of difference for his team...

You can get a quality WR down the road... Hell, this team can probably nab one in one of these FA years when the team is good enough to compete... But somebody has to get him that ball, and that situation hasn't even worked itself out yet... That's more important right now than anything else on offense...

I just don't see how this team can pass up a chance to get a potential difference maker on the defensive side of the ball... It just seems like that would be another Browns error in judgement...

 

[Silky Smooth]

Yeah, exactly what a team full of garbage needs... The more and more I think about it, the dumber the idea becomes...

There's no rational reason to select a WR at #5 with a defense that is so damn poor as the Browns..

They don't have a stable QB situation... Don't have a stable running game either... Have only one decent defensive player that is worth his money.. So of course, the route that makes the most sense is drafting a WR ?

Their first 3 selections should be defensive players...

The Steelers don't have great receivers... Both Holmes and Ward (even when Ward was in his prime) were not elite receivers... The Patriots won 3 of these things with Troy Brown/Deion Branch holding down the spot... The Bucs won with Keenan McCardell and an old KeyShawn Johnson playing wideout... The Ravens didn't have great receivers either...

Sure, some teams have won it with offense.. Rams and perhaps the Colts (although Harrison was a non factor and the Colts defense picked up that year during the playoffs)-- But, if you look at teams this decade, most of them won due to defense... Patriots 3 times--Steelers 2 times--Bucs and Giants.. All those teams had top defenses...

We have to catch up on that side of the ball first... We have to have someone that can get pressure off the edge for this team...

Makes sense!!

 

[Gimme Some Mo]

If we can't trade down and Curry is gone, don't we almost HAVE to take Crabtree? Is anyone else really worth taking that high and giving that much money to?

I don't really want a WR, but it almost feels like we have to do it if we can't trade down.

Also, we are going to suck forever anyways, so I at least want somebody fun to watch. And Steptoe is our 2nd WR right now. :shakehead

 

[Da_James_Gang]

Anyone know how Orakpo's workout went with the Browns? I know his first interview went really well from that article i posted on here but i haven't heard anything about the workout he was suppose to have recently.

 

[DDJ7777]

I'd hope we could trade down (Broncos might want Sanchez before a Jacksonville takes him at #8?)

I've heard some things about Orakpo in that they're worried about him. I don't want another Kam Wimbley.