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The Wizard of Moz
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Who do you think should win? Really most of the candidates have big red marks on their resume. Bauer and Sale have missed large chunks of the season. Severino and Verlander had a dominant stretch of the season followed by prolonged mediocre runs. Cole has been good but not spectacular (which, Corey hasn’t been spectacular either, but I think he’s a much better bet than Cole for the award). Snell also has low inningsI don't think Kluber has been anywhere near the best pitcher in the AL, but I certainly won't be upset if they hand him the award
Corey leads the AL in IP as well. He isn’t as dominant as last year, but he’s still been a workhorse for us this year. Also he has a decent lead in ESPN’s Cy Young predictor over the next closest starting pitcher (Snell) and that formula has been pretty accurate on predicting the Cy Young over the years
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I'm not sure who I'd give it to, I just know there are guys I'd give it to before Kluber
Cole, Verlander, and Snell for sure; even Sale and Bauer were so significantly better I'd give it to either of them if they make a couple decent starts down the stretch.
In the NL, if he keeps it up, it has to be DeGrom. He's been historically dominant.
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Dynamite drop in Monty, those broadcaster classes are really paying off
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Verlander had a phenomenal April/May and he’s been slowly seeing his numbers get worse and worse since. ERA of 5.29 in August. If he keeps playing like he has been he’ll continue to lose votes.
He built up a huge lead early and has pretty much been relenting it ever since
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Sale and Bauer had a huge lead on the field, but their absence has just been a matter of picking from the next group.
I'd probably pick Cole, but see the argument for Verlander or Snell.
Kluber would be next after those 3 for me. He had a two month stretch of aggressively mediocre pitching from the end of June to the end of August. It's just not his year IMO, there have been a handful of guy decisively more impressive.
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Speaking of which is this the beginning of a decline for Kluber or are there other factors at play? I know we’ve had some good analysis on his mechanics and there have been nagging, minor injuries but at this point what do we think?
Weird to see him so prone to the long ball — that’s without looking at the numbers though.
Weird to see him so prone to the long ball — that’s without looking at the numbers though.
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I think last year was just an absolutely remarkable year and holding him to that standard year in and out probably isn’t realistic. He’s still likely to end up with the 3rd best WAR of his career this season likely to end above 6 which is still a very, very good season. Last year it was 8.3 and anything over an 8 is considered MVP level by baseball reference. 5+ is all star.
I know it’s only one metric, but I just think that what Corey did last year was a special pitcher having an extremely dominant season that won’t be easy to repeat every year
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Have an ALCA number for this?
Simple calculation, subtract all innings pitched in exhibition games against divisional foes
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He's still been very good, no doubt. Last year was absolutely peak Kluber.
I'd rank his years as so:
1. 2014
2. 2017
3. 2015
4. 2016
5. 2018
6. 2013
1 and 2 are basically a tie for me. 2015-16-18 are pretty close to interchangeable, but he had better stuff in 15/16, so I'll rank those higher.
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If you had to choose between Scherzer and Kluber, who would you take? And would you say that both guys have surpassed Kershaw as the 1-2 best in the game?
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I know you're being facetious but:
vs. AL Central
12 games (KC x4, MIN x3, CHW x2, DET x3)
80 IP
2.36 ERA
0.83 WHIP
9.45 K/9
1.01 BB/9
0.68 HR/9
vs. Current Playoff Teams
8 games (HOU x2, MIL x2, NYY, OAK, BOS, STL)
48-2/3 IP
3.88 ERA
1.23 WHIP
8.87 K/9
1.29 BB/9
1.29 HR/9
*6 ER in 1-2/3 IP @ St. Louis negatively skew the averages to an extent
vs. Other
9 games (SEA x2, TB, CIN, LAA x2, PIT, TEX, BAL)
64-2/3 IP
2.37 ERA
0.87 WHIP
8.07 K/9
1.67 BB/9
1.25 HR/9