The fact is we had more pressing needs. We had the 5th pick in the draft and we traded down 16 spots. A pressing need wasn't center and i feel like the gap between this guy and someone taken @ 49 is marginal. I'm not saying he's bad i'm saying we had other choices that i felt would have been better to take care of.
No one was really worth of the #5 pick, at the time, and no there was worth paying all that money when no one really fit well... So why put a square peg in a round hole?
Center may have not been the most pressing need but it certainly was one of the top needs the Browns had... If the Browns want to have any shot of succeeding on offense next year, it's all going to start up front... When the Browns were a good offensive team in 2007, it was because we had one of the better offensive lines in the NFL... Without a offensive line, there's really no shot at winning...
Mack was the top-rated center on most boards... The third rated center by most experts was Antoine Caldwell was was just taken in the 4th round...
Center was a pressing need that didn't have much depth to it... Unlike the WR position, the OLB position, the CB position, etc., all positions the Browns needed help at that were very deep... The Browns manipulated the draft to their liking, where they were not only getting the top rated guys on their board but good value too...
At the end of the day i felt like the value we got out of our picks wasn't equal to what was on the board and our needs.
Alright Jay, who did you want?
I thought getting 6 players out of the #5 pick was pretty damn good...
At the beginning of the draft nobody was talking about trading out of the top 20 and getting a center and drafting two receivers in the 2nd round. It just doesn't make sense.
So because no one was talking about it, it didn't make any sense?
how it played out. It looked like they had this great plan and nothing went our way oustide of the fifth pick trade.
Really? Hmm...
My main beef is that we had the chance to add someone who could have possible filled a glaring need.
Like who at what position? C was a glaring need whether you want to believe it or not...
We didn't solve that with any of the jets guys we got. They seems like filler players not impact players.
They're neither---they're solid players who will produce..
Abram Elam will be our SS... Just watch him this year, he's really going to surprise..
Kenyon Coleman will challenge for the starting DE job vs. Robaire Smith but if he loses, will provide good depth...
Brett Ratliff is a guy that Tannenbaum and Eric Mangini really liked... I know it was a pre-season game but he shredded the Browns last year for 240+ yards and 2+ TDs...
Mort and Clayton were wondering with how much the Jets coveted Sanchez we failed to get anything more than few randoms and only a second round and not a 1st round next year. I think that's a very vaild question. When we traded to get Brady we gave up our next year 1st rounder for a player that fell to 22. The cowboys in return picked up Felix Jones the next year.
First of all Mortensen is an idiot and Clayton isn't too far behind.. Just because they know very little about the players we got, doesn't mean their assessment of them is accurate...
Even though the NFL Draft Value Trade Chart is outdated and not totally accurate, it's a good baseline to use... We trade our 36th pick (540 points) and our 1st round pick in 2008 for the Cowboys #22 pick (780)... Did we overpay? Absolutely but you also have to factor in that Phil Savage wasn't exactly a guy adverse to overspending or giving up more than he had to... You also have to factor in other teams trading up to get Quinn..
Fast forward to this year...
The #5 pick is worth 1,700 points while the #17 pick is worth 950 points... That's a 750 point differential... Throw in a 2nd round pick #52 (380) and that leaves around 370 of points left, which means we got 3 solid players for the value of a mid-late 2nd round pick...
When you look at the value of the trade, the Browns got good value... Getting a 1st round pick out the trade would have been unlikely... The Jets are going to give up two 1sts and and 2nd... No way... But on top of that, I'd argue that getting those 3 players were just as good as (likely) getting a late 1st round pick last year...
The questions i have are will Robo and these 3 guys equal the options or the talent that the first rounder next year could have possibly given us? that remains to be seen and i'm not very optimistic about this.
So basically you'd rather have late 1st round pick next year (a major uncertainty who's going to make some decent money) then 3 for sure players (1 definite starter, 1 possible starter, and 1 good backup) and 1 maybe player? That's even if the Jets would be willing to give up a 1st next year, which is unlikely...
Robo or Massaqoui will fill needs but we neglected other needs by getting both of them. One is fine. Both makes it seem like there's some uncertainty attached to one of the players. I tend to think it's Massaqoui more than Robo.
So you just wanted one WR?
So you'd be fine with David Patten being our #3 WR, Josh Cribbs our #4 WR, Syndric Steptoe as our #5 WR and Paul Hubbard as our #6 WR?
WR was arguably one of our biggest needs... I also think that the Browns didn't draft either or both guys based on their need of WR but rather where they valued and how they had them on their board...
JayDub said:
Unger is also a more versatile player though. He's able to play multiple positions on the line. 3-4 Nts get doubled almost every play as it is. Thats why good ones are so coveted. You will rarely see a NT one on one with center lest it be on blitzes or anytime the guard can't help.
So can Wood and Mack.. Wood can play 4 spots on the line and Mack can play 3...
That's not the point..
The point is that our offensive system is going to ask our offensive line to be better in phone booth's, better drive blockers, better one-on-one blockers and more isolation blocks.. None of those are Unger's strengths...
Our offensive system last year utilized more traps, pulls, counters, etc., which Unger would be a good fit for... But not this year..
You can see what I'm talking about with the offensive lineman we've signed (St. Clair, Womack), release (Shaffer) and haven't re-signed (McKinney, Friedman, Young)...
JayDub said:
They're not really idiots. It's not asking too much to give up a future 1st to get into the top 5 and get a possible franchise qb.
Considering what else we got, yes it is...
JayDub said:
We traded our 1st round pick for the following year for Quinn we didn't swap picks like we did this year. Giving up a future pick is entirely different than swapping picks. Look at the people we missed on around our area in last years draft, Mendenhall, Johnson, Jones. Based on the talent alone i'd feel much better with the possibility of two firsts next year than what we got this year.
First of all saying what Phil Savage did is what any other GM would do is wrong... Tannenbaum is a much smarter, more patient than Savage...
BTW--who's to say that 1st round pick is going to be a guy that's worth of the pick? Saying because guys were there that you liked 2 years ago, doesn't mean guys will be their next year...
JayDub said:
We didn't get a starting safety. We got a guy who could potentially be one but you can't say he's better than Brodney or Mike Adams.
He's better than Mike Adams and is better than every safety in this years draft, with the exception of Louis Delmas (maybe).. You can say that for sure...
JayDub said:
Ratliff was UDFA i mean we could do the same this year to fill in that spot.
LOL, Josh Cribbs was a UDFA too does that mean he sucks?
What? he was a project QB last year. If not for Favre, they would have kept Pennington and still have Kellen Clemens ahead of him. Not sure where you got the idea Ratliff was going to start for them...
