Zeitgeist - was 9/11 was an inside job?

[The Oi]

Re: Zeitgeist - 9/11 was an inside job.

I will say this. Say you have a pretty large Styrofoam structure in your room (let's say 10 ft by 5 ft). If you punched it 3/4ths of the way up (at the 7ft, 6 inch mark) the thing would not collapse like a pancake. It would topple over, like a thing of Jenga. THAT is the one thing that has piqued my interest about 9-11 since day 1. That and tower 7. I'm not saying that it was an inside job. I'm saying that things need to be explained a little better.

@Maximus
@Deezus
@Damage

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Is this actually serious? Someone compared punching a bunch of Styrofoam to a plane flying into 100 plus story office building?

Nobody is that dumb.

 

[The Oi]

Is this actually serious? Someone compared punching a bunch of Styrofoam to a plane flying into 100 plus story office building?

Nobody is that dumb.

@Damage

 

[gourimoko]

Asking for an investigation is not the same as making an outright statement of fact.

 

[The Oi]

Asking for an investigation is not the same as making an outright statement of fact.

No doubt.

But using a 10' * 5' styrofoam tower getting punched as a model is awesome.

 

[Cavatt]

Someone thinking a building falls down like a tree is pretty funny

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Did I accidentally stumble into the thread where everyone posts when they're drunk/wasted?

 

[gourimoko]

No doubt.

But using a 10' * 5' styrofoam tower getting punched as a model is awesome.

That is pretty funny..

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

No doubt.

But using a 10' * 5' styrofoam tower getting punched as a model is awesome.

I once made the mistake of getting in an argument with the "prove it wasn't a demolition job" crowd. Talk about a time sink....

The problem is that it takes far more effort to disprove a shitty hypothesis than it does to yank one out of your ass in the first place. And the conspiracy types can keep coming up with shitty arguments indefinitely. So, you're basically playing message-board Whack-A-Mole, with no time limit. No fun.

The mere fact that someone makes the styrofoam argument in the first place tells you that they lack even a basic understanding of dynamic or even static engineering principles. Or basic physics. And so explaining why a building fell becomes this exhausting regurgitation of Structural Engineering 101 and Thermodynamics, which all have to be crammed into a message board.

And then some wise-ass will start arguing that the second law of Thermodynamics isn't really valid anyway, because some star somewhere emitted some particle, that later turns out to be bullshit.

Anyone know the way back to the clean and sober room?

 

[FiveThous]

Anyone know the way back to the clean and sober room?

This is a Cleveland based sports board last time I checked..........

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

This is a Cleveland based sports board last time I checked..........

Oh fuck, you're right.

Somebody pass me a beer, then.

 

[gourimoko]

I once made the mistake of getting in an argument with the "prove it wasn't a demolition job" crowd. Talk about a time sink....

The problem is that it takes far more effort to disprove a shitty hypothesis than it does to yank one out of your ass in the first place. And the conspiracy types can keep coming up with shitty arguments indefinitely. So, you're basically playing message-board Whack-A-Mole, with no time limit. No fun.

The mere fact that someone makes the styrofoam argument in the first place tells you that they lack even a basic understanding of dynamic or even static engineering principles. Or basic physics. And so explaining why a building fell becomes this exhausting regurgitation of Structural Engineering 101 and Thermodynamics, which all have to be crammed into a message board.

Or the fact that you aren't really equipped to answer these questions might come into play? I mean, you didn't study physics in college right? You're not an engineer, right?

And then some wise-ass will start arguing that the second law of Thermodynamics isn't really valid anyway, because some star somewhere emitted some particle, that later turns out to be bullshit.

And as someone who has taught these concepts at the collegiate level, I do have to say, the last time I checked you didn't really understand the concept of the Second Law and how it might relate to open systems. I think we had that conversation before, and I needed to explain this to you in detail; I still don't think you got it though.

Anyone know the way back to the clean and sober room?

Just press the back button bro, nobody is forcing you to post in here.

p.s.
The whole "star emitting a particle" shows an immense amount of ignorance with the history of astrophysics. The question of blackbody radiation as it relates to black hole event horizons has been a remarkable area of study that has led us to question many fundamental principles of science including our understanding of when and where to apply thermodynamics to quantum systems and how this might work, as well as other fundamental concepts like the principles of locality and equivalence.

If you don't understand these things, and aren't interested in thoughtful conversations about them, then that's fine. But to simply suggest you know something that you obviously do not and then to say "well, it'd take to long to explain;" I mean, who are you trying to fool here?

 

[The Human Q-Tip]

Ah fuck, I should have known.

Or the fact that you aren't really equipped to answer these questions might come into play? I mean, you didn't study physics in college right? You're not an engineer, right?

Actually I did, dipshit. Had to take a full engineering load which is required of everyone at the Academy. So yeah, a year or more each of thermodynamics, structural engineering, systems engineering, electrical engineering, physics, 4 semesters of post-calculus math, so yeah. But you don't have to be a fucking Ph.D to know that a fist isn't a plane, and a steel and concrete reinforced building isn't a piece of Styrofoam. I'm not an expert in those fields, but I know enough to recognize a bogus argument.

And as someone who has taught these concepts at the collegiate level,

Yeah, I've heard your line of bullshit before - can't believe I was dumb enough to "click on ignored member"....

You're the Black guy who speaks for all Black guys when that's convenient to your argument. You're the Arab guy who speaks for all Arab guys when that's convenient. You're the non-Muslim Muslim whose word trumps whatever any other Muslim leader says, anywhere.

You're a world renowned statistician, political scientist, theoretical physicist, structural engineer, and an expert on whatever other subject is brought up. We know this, because you tell everyone how much everyone else respects your opinion.

Surprised you have the time to post at all given how much you must jerk-off at your own magnificence.

@The Oi

Ugh, wish I hadn't clicked on that....

 

[Maximus]

Re: Zeitgeist - 9/11 was an inside job.

Cavs23MVP said: ↑
And the part nobody answer, is with did the other building, not the other trade tower collapse, it was not hit with anything? But it decided to suddenly fall down, like it was demolished...

Answer this...if it was being demolished...why wait? Why not detonate it when the other building fell. I don't see the point or how this is some sort of smoking gun.


With regards to the Pentagon, click this link. It contains quotes from the Fema people and witnesses that saw plane parts...it also shows photos.

http://www.rense.com/general32/phot.htm

These stupid Loose Change videos and Zeitgeist are trying to convince you that it was an inside job...so they leave out all facts that would say otherwise. They don't mention the 100's of witnesses who testified watching a plane fly over their cars and outside of the their buildings and into the Pentagon. They don't mention parts of a 767, bodies, etc recovered from the Pentagon. The 9/11 commission(yes, there was one) said the plane flew into the building. If there were no bodies(which there were) or no plane parts(which there were), don't you think members of the cleanup crew would be screaming "IT WASN'T A DAMN PLANE!!!" Bodies were recovered and identified....did the cleanup crew plant them there after the fact? Yet b/c there is a missing video we must assume something else?

I would encourage you to look at this analysis. Plenty of facts, plenty of pics, etc. - http://www.abovetopsecret.com/pages/..._evidence.html

Review the facts -
Size of 757 matches the initial size of hole in the building - somewhere between 13 and 16 feet (757 is 13 feet wide/high)
Rims found in building match those of a 757
Small turbine engine outside is an APU
Same engine has been clearly stated to not match a Global Hawk engine
Blue seats from 757 laying on ground in photos
Part of "American" fuselage logo visible in more than 1 photo
Engine parts photographed inside match a Rolls-Royce RB211
Structural components photographed in wreckage match Boeing paint primer schemes
Large deisel generator in front of building hit by a large heavy object
Large deisel engine outside is spun towards the building - could not be result of bomb blast or missile explosion
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner
Multiple eye witnesses say they saw an airliner hit the Pentagon
60+ bodies, matching the passenger list and flight crew roster identified and returned to families from Pentagon wreckage

For all the people that have fallen for the "inside job" bullshit answer me a question. At the MINIMUM, how many people would have to have been involved in this inside job? How many people would it take to wire two 110 story buildings with Composite-4? How many sailors on a Destroyer would have to be involved to launch a Cruise missile into the Pentagon? How many air traffic controllers that followed the planes from takeoff until impact? How many recovery workers?
Give me a number....how many at the MINIMUM? So now think about that number. Think about how many people have turned on each other in the Bush Administration over the last years (McClellan, Powell, Rumsfeld). No one has EVER come forward and said it was an inside job? The odds are infinitesimal that a job this large could be covered up. It is impossible.

One other thing, the title of this thread and the "thumbs up" symbol next to it are some of the most offensive things I've ever seen on RCF.

For the sake of the deceased, let it go.

RIP Bobby O'Shea - 9/11/01 WTC

Crushed it...

 

[Maximus]

Ah fuck, I should have known.



Actually I did, dipshit. Had to take a full engineering load which is required of everyone at the Academy. So yeah, a year or more each of thermodynamics, structural engineering, systems engineering, electrical engineering, physics, 4 semesters of post-calculus math, so yeah. But you don't have to be a fucking Ph.D to know that a fist isn't a plane, and a steel and concrete reinforced building isn't a piece of Styrofoam. I'm not an expert in those fields, but I know enough to recognize a bogus argument.



Yeah, I've heard your line of bullshit before - can't believe I was dumb enough to "click on ignored member"....

You're the Black guy who speaks for all Black guys when that's convenient to your argument. You're the Arab guy who speaks for all Arab guys when that's convenient. You're the non-Muslim Muslim whose word trumps whatever any other Muslim leader says, anywhere.

You're a world renowned statistician, political scientist, theoretical physicist, structural engineer, and an expert on whatever other subject is brought up. We know this, because you tell everyone how much everyone else respects your opinion.

Surprised you have the time to post at all given how much you must jerk-off at your own magnificence.

@The Oi

Ugh, wish I hadn't clicked on that....