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Zeitgeist - was 9/11 was an inside job?

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Re: Zeitgeist - 9/11 was an inside job.

I'm in class right now, so I'm not going to spout all the evidence against these movies, but one such example of how facts are manipulated occurs in Loose Change, and I believe Zeitgeist uses it too. It talks about how steel doesn't melt at a certain temperature, so thus, the buildings shouldn't have fallen.

Ok, I'll concede that steel doesn't melt at the temperatures that the fuel was burning, but it is a scientific fact that the steel weakens. Think about it, on the 45th floor of a 110 story building, its supporting structure can't support over 60 stories above it, and it falls.

You think it takes 30 people to cover it up? Ok, so lets see. First of all, the people at American Airlines and United have acknowledged that those planes that were hijacked were in fact part of their fleet. So for those who don't think a plane hit the Pentagon, where did that plane go? Oh and then, what about the hundreds of emergency responders who showed up at the Pentagon? Wouldn't they see that there was no plane there? You think that all people need to do is blow stuff up, but thats completely false. Even if you think people can be bought off, you think all those people didn't have morals at all?
 
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If I could I would give negative rep to your brother.
 
Re: Zeitgeist - 9/11 was an inside job.

Jigo_oi said:
Well there's the evidence that conspiracy theorists are typically stoners without jobs and no girlfriends.

:)
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And there's obvious evidence that you can't explain why it's not a conspiracy.
 
Re: Zeitgeist - 9/11 was an inside job.

This is a topic I've been mildly obsessed with for years now. I have to say, after years of searching online, reading/watching "debunk" articles/videos, and watching conspiracy movies such as Loose Change (mostly complete bullshit,) Zeitgeist (some truth involved, some not,) and The Money Masters (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!) ...I've come to a few conclusions.

1.) 911 was not an "inside job." By this I mean Bush and the government didn't plan 911, they didn't plant explosives in any buildings, they didn't hire any terrorists, they didn't switch any planes full of people with remote controlled planes, and they didn't shoot a missle at the Pentagon. Most of this stuff is far-fetched and has been disproven That being said...

2.) I believe that the government may have allowed 911 to happen. Take a look at the videos above... The USAF just happened to be conducting an anti-terrorist exercise on the exact day that 911 occured, effectively ruining our chances of intercepting any of these hijacked airliners in flight. There is even an anit-terror program the goverment was working on that had a picture of the WTC in crosshairs on the cover. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that this did, in fact, happen. I'm only saying that it could be possible. Why, you ask? Because Bush and his administration needed an excuse to go into Iraq and the middle east, Bush stood to gain significant approval ratings by leading the country through this type of mess, and it gave him and his cronies a chance to make significant amounts of money, while staying in power.

3.) The real conspiracy I think we all should be paying attention to should be that which concerns our Federal Reserve, international bankers, and the recent economic meltdown. The basics of this can be explained in the clips from the "Federal Reserve" sections of Zeitgest. I will point out that some of the information in this video is untrue. For instance the Federal Reserve is not a central bank, but is more of a pseudo-central bank. Also, some of its claims on the interest associated with creation of currency as well as our income tax are a bit murky when compared with facts. However, it does a good job, generally speaking, of exposing the crimes that have been opposed on us through taxation and the creation of debt.

all of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

first half of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A&feature=related

If anyone is interested in a truly fact-based look at the Federal Reserve and international banking, I strongly recommend "The Money Masters." It is extremely long (3 1/2 hours) and is a bit outdated, but it does a great job of summing everything up.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...ei=EFQbSaHDOpOwqwKdt6XMDQ&q=the+money+masters
 
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Mdog,

All four flights were transcontinental. I believe two were from Boston and two from Washington Dulles. The destinations were LA and SFO.
 
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AanandM7 said:
Mdog,

All four flights were transcontinental. I believe two were from Boston and two from Washington Dulles. The destinations were LA and SFO.
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Two Boston, One Newark, One Dulles.
 
Re: Zeitgeist - 9/11 was an inside job.

AanandM7 said:
I'm in class right now, so I'm not going to spout all the evidence against these movies, but one such example of how facts are manipulated occurs in Loose Change, and I believe Zeitgeist uses it too. It talks about how steel doesn't melt at a certain temperature, so thus, the buildings shouldn't have fallen.

Ok, I'll concede that steel doesn't melt at the temperatures that the fuel was burning, but it is a scientific fact that the steel weakens. Think about it, on the 45th floor of a 110 story building, its supporting structure can't support over 60 stories above it, and it falls.

You think it takes 30 people to cover it up? Ok, so lets see. First of all, the people at American Airlines and United have acknowledged that those planes that were hijacked were in fact part of their fleet. So for those who don't think a plane hit the Pentagon, where did that plane go? Oh and then, what about the hundreds of emergency responders who showed up at the Pentagon? Wouldn't they see that there was no plane there? You think that all people need to do is blow stuff up, but thats completely false. Even if you think people can be bought off, you think all those people didn't have morals at all?
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I never said the airlines would be in on it, but they could have hired people to fly these planes the same way that the "terrorists" did and AA not have any knowledge of it. Also, you say where is the plane, you don't think the government can't hide a plane or people? Because I think it would be much easier for them to do something with a plane, then for any evidence of a plane ever being there being completely destroyed and not one single piece of the jet engine be there, even though it was IMPOSSIBLE for it to melt. Why would they take the footage from the stores security camera and never release it? Also, if you had watched the video, it shows the exact engineered angle that the buildings I-beams had to be cut at which was the exact angle the the supported structure of the towers were cut at when the rubble had settled. Also, the Trade Towers were built precisely to withstand a plane crashing into it, and the engineers and architects who built it said that there is no way that it should have collapsed. It should have burned, but the steel structure itself should have still been standing. The only way it could have collapsed is by the pancake method where one floor falls on top of another and another and another until it hits the ground, but this is not what happened, and the simple laws of physics and gravity show this. It falls at free fall speed which is also IMPOSSIBLE, unless there were explosive devices detonated.

And the part nobody answer, is with did the other building, not the other trade tower collapse, it was not hit with anything? But it decided to suddenly fall down, like it was demolished...
 
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Cavs23MVP said:
And there's obvious evidence that you can't explain why it's not a conspiracy.
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Just not willing to waste my time researching it. I've seen the over-dramatic videos claiming that the POTUS at the time bombed two towers in his nation's own best-known, most productive city thereby causing a major recession in his country that would have damaged any economic interests he, his friends and family had. Not to mention risking any chance he could have at gaining the nation's approval.

I just don't believe the claims the videos make that the POTUS would have any interest in doing so. Furthermore, I don't believe that thousands and thousands of people would be willing to cover information up for a President they already don't like. And they certainly would have had to do that.

:)
 
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_amon _ones said:
Do you know how much explosives have to be planted at critical points to take a building down? And that it would require several people weeks to months to plant them? And that 50,000 people worked at those 2 buildings and no one was suspicious or said anything before it happened?

Scientific experts showed that the heat caused by the jet fuel burning (as well as the metal structures ability to conduct heat) caused the already weakened structure to collapse on itself.

BTW, this will turn into the new Obama thread in is divisiveness of RCF.
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Yes, they said that the heat would cause the building to collapse for the first few floors which were affected by the heat, however after this it should have fallen differently. According to the pancake theory, one floor fails and falls onto the floor below, causing it to fail and fall on the floor below that one, and so forth. The "pancake theory" implies that this continues all the way to the ground floor. In the case of both WTC towers, we didn't see the floors piled up when the event was all over, but rather a pulverization of the floors throughout the event.

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Top begins to disintegrate before the damaged area even begins falling.
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Re: Zeitgeist - 9/11 was an inside job.

This is a topic I've been mildly obsessed with for years now. I have to say, after years of searching online, reading/watching "debunk" articles/videos, and watching conspiracy movies such as Loose Change (mostly complete bullshit,) Zeitgeist (some truth involved, some not,) and The Money Masters (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!) ...I've come to a few conclusions.

1.) 911 was not an "inside job." By this I mean Bush and the government didn't plan 911, they didn't plant explosives in any buildings, they didn't hire any terrorists, they didn't switch any planes full of people with remote controlled planes, and they didn't shoot a missle at the Pentagon. Most of this stuff is far-fetched and has been disproven That being said...

2.) I believe that the government may have allowed 911 to happen. Take a look at the videos above... The USAF just happened to be conducting an anti-terrorist exercise on the exact day that 911 occured, effectively ruining our chances of intercepting any of these hijacked airliners in flight. There is even an anit-terror program the goverment was working on that had a picture of the WTC in crosshairs on the cover. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that this did, in fact, happen. I'm only saying that it could be possible. Why, you ask? Because Bush and his administration needed an excuse to go into Iraq and the middle east, Bush stood to gain significant approval ratings by leading the country through this type of mess, and it gave him and his cronies a chance to make significant amounts of money, while staying in power.

3.) The real conspiracy I think we all should be paying attention to should be that which concerns our Federal Reserve, international bankers, and the recent economic meltdown. The basics of this can be explained in the clips from the "Federal Reserve" sections of Zeitgest. I will point out that some of the information in this video is untrue. For instance the Federal Reserve is not a central bank, but is more of a pseudo-central bank. Also, some of its claims on the interest associated with creation of currency as well as our income tax are a bit murky when compared with facts. However, it does a good job, generally speaking, of exposing the crimes that have been opposed on us through taxation and the creation of debt.

all of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

first half of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A&feature=related

If anyone is interested in a truly fact-based look at the Federal Reserve and international banking, I strongly recommend "The Money Masters." It is extremely long (3 1/2 hours) and is a bit outdated, but it does a great job of summing everything up.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...ei=EFQbSaHDOpOwqwKdt6XMDQ&q=the+money+masters
 
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For those talking about an independent source, here is an independent architect(who works for AIA) talking about it:

http://911blogger.com/node/10025

(no spooky conspiracy music either)
 
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J-Deezy said:
I will point out that some of the information in this video is untrue.
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But there's a sucker born every minute.
 
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I love when people call Bush a puppet.

To whom I ask? Everyone blames those above him yet there is nobody they can name that controls the highest office in the powerful nation on the planet.

I've seen the video, and there is nothing in it that proves that 9-11 was an inside job that can't be debunked. Why don't you present the most solid evidence from the movie IYO and we'll go from there.
 
Re: Zeitgeist - 9/11 was an inside job.

J-Deezy said:
This is a topic I've been mildly obsessed with for years now. I have to say, after years of searching online, reading/watching "debunk" articles/videos, and watching conspiracy movies such as Loose Change (mostly complete bullshit,) Zeitgeist (some truth involved, some not,) and The Money Masters (HIGHLY RECOMMENDED!) ...I've come to a few conclusions.

1.) 911 was not an "inside job." By this I mean Bush and the government didn't plan 911, they didn't plant explosives in any buildings, they didn't hire any terrorists, they didn't switch any planes full of people with remote controlled planes, and they didn't shoot a missle at the Pentagon. Most of this stuff is far-fetched and has been disproven That being said...

2.) I believe that the government may have allowed 911 to happen. Take a look at the videos above... The USAF just happened to be conducting an anti-terrorist exercise on the exact day that 911 occured, effectively ruining our chances of intercepting any of these hijacked airliners in flight. There is even an anit-terror program the goverment was working on that had a picture of the WTC in crosshairs on the cover. Keep in mind, I'm not saying that this did, in fact, happen. I'm only saying that it could be possible. Why, you ask? Because Bush and his administration needed an excuse to go into Iraq and the middle east, Bush stood to gain significant approval ratings by leading the country through this type of mess, and it gave him and his cronies a chance to make significant amounts of money, while staying in power.

3.) The real conspiracy I think we all should be paying attention to should be that which concerns our Federal Reserve, international bankers, and the recent economic meltdown. The basics of this can be explained in the clips from the "Federal Reserve" sections of Zeitgest. I will point out that some of the information in this video is untrue. For instance the Federal Reserve is not a central bank, but is more of a pseudo-central bank. Also, some of its claims on the interest associated with creation of currency as well as our income tax are a bit murky when compared with facts. However, it does a good job, generally speaking, of exposing the crimes that have been opposed on us through taxation and the creation of debt.

all of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_dmPchuXIXQ

first half of this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZne09Gf5A&feature=related

If anyone is interested in a truly fact-based look at the Federal Reserve and international banking, I strongly recommend "The Money Masters." It is extremely long (3 1/2 hours) and is a bit outdated, but it does a great job of summing everything up.

http://video.google.com/videoplay?d...ei=EFQbSaHDOpOwqwKdt6XMDQ&q=the+money+masters
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Why is this posted 2 times.
 
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