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This new ESPN piece on "Inside The Nexus Between Partying And Winning in the NBA" is pro-click all the way, it's hilarious...among other things, it informs us that the ability to get laid through the internet has materially increased the efficiency of road teams in the NBA. "It's absolutely true that you get at least two hours more sleep getting laid on the road today versus 15 years ago," says one former All-Star.

http://www.espn.com/nba/story/_/page/presents18969358/nexus-partying-winning-nba
 
Baron and IT are actually capable of verbalizing their thoughts, and Bosh and Webber make for great supporting actors. I like that group a lot too.

I won't watch again until they get rid of Shaq. He is insufferable. Not even remotely funny and doesn't have anything of value to add.
 
Celtics only two losses back, and their next five are four at home and a road game vs. NY. That game in Boston will be for the one seed.
 
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I'm going to be honest, guys. I've watched every Spurs game the past two weeks, and damn, they scare the shit out of me. Kawhi Leonard, DeWayne Dedmon, Jonathan Simmons, and Danny Green are all playing lock-down defense and LaMarcus Aldridge is covering more centers (including really great defense against KAT and Marc Gasol). Dedmon has quietly been one of the best defensive centers in the NBA this season, and his ability to switch on screens and rim protect will pose problems for us. The Spurs go on these spurts where, for a quarter+, they will literally shut down everything their opponents try and do on offense.

On offense, while I don't think they have any players as dangerous as Kyrie or LeBron, they still are damn good. Kawhi Leonard has become a really good isolation scorer and Aldridge is nearly unguardable on the left block. I honestly don't know who guards the later... Love does not have the strength and I'm not sure TT does, either.

In addition to all of that, they run more weaves (and better weaves) than any team I've watched the past two years. This is indicative of the Spurs' offensive system, that generates great shots for their players.

I think the Cavs can win against the Spurs, but honestly, I would not feel any more comfortable than against the Warriors. Kyrie would need to take the next step as a player and move into superstar, top-7 player in the NBA territory. He's the only guy I don't think the Spurs can handle, and my bet is they make him beat them.
 
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I'm going to be honest, guys. I've watched every Spurs game the past two weeks, and damn, they scare the shit out of me. Kawhi Leonard, DeWayne Dedmon, and Danny Green are all playing lock-down defense and LaMarcus Aldridge is covering more centers (including really great defense against KAT and Marc Gasol). Dedmon has quietly been one of the best defensive centers in the NBA this season, and his ability to switch on screens and rim protect will pose problems for us. The Spurs go on these spurts where, for a quarter+, they will literally shut down everything their opponents try and do on offense.

On offense, while I don't think they have any players as dangerous as Kyrie or LeBron, they still are damn good. Kawhi Leonard has become a really good isolation scorer and Aldridge is nearly unguardable on the left block. I honestly don't know who guards the later... Love does not have the strength and I'm not sure TT does, either.

In addition to all of that, they run more weaves (and better weaves) than any team I've watched the past two years. This is indicative of the Spurs' offensive system, that generates great shots for their players.

I think the Cavs can win against the Spurs, but honestly, I would not feel any more comfortable than against the Warriors. Kyrie would need to take the next step as a player and move into superstar, top-7 player in the NBA territory. He's the only guy I don't think the Spurs can handle, and my bet is they make him beat them.

I'd rather play the Spurs. If we aren't fortunate enough to win, we will lose to a classy opponent, instead of a team full of douche bags.

I think Deron setting his bone crushing screens on Kawhi would be a great play to help open things up. No one else can guard LeBron on that team. And no one else (besides Kawhi) can guard Kyrie either.
 
No I amazingly think I'd rather play the Warriors now. From what I've seen from our defense this year, the Spurs size would be a major, major problem.
 
The thing about who I'd rather play is that the Spurs franchise is a class act organization and pretty much every Spur is a humble human being who isn't a complete cunt.

I would be crushed if we lost, but I could live with it.

I would melt into a fucking puddle if that coward gets rewarded for the most cowardice move ever seen in sports

Yeah, give me the Spurs. That way even if we lose I won't melt into a puddle
 
I'd rather play the Spurs. If we aren't fortunate enough to win, we will lose to a classy opponent, instead of a team full of douche bags.

I think Deron setting his bone crushing screens on Kawhi would be a great play to help open things up. No one else can guard LeBron on that team. And no one else (besides Kawhi) can guard Kyrie either.
Fair enough. And don't take my comments below as dismissing your argument, because I do appreciate it.

My only questions to you would be, first, who on the Warriors can guard Kyrie or LeBron. Kawhi can guard both, and Danny Green is just as good of a defender as Klay Thompson. In addition, Dedmon is a rim protector who can just as easily play switch defense, something the Warriors don't have.

Second, who on the Cavs is guarding Aldridge? In my mind, he's the guy the Cavs make beat them, but that is still a ballsy strategy.

And third, Kyrie, Shump, and Deron are undisciplined defenders, even if the latter two have displayed good defensive chops in the past. How do they do running around San Antonio's weave plays?

Warriors are an offensive force unlike anything the Spurs can pose. The Spurs are a defensive force unlike anything the Warriors can pose. Difference, to me, is that in a series against the Cavs, San Antonio's offense is more of a threat than Golden State's defense.

Ultimately, I think both teams will be very, very difficult to beat. It's going to be another brutal series.

EDIT: I'd also posit that Simmons could guard LBJ and/or Kyrie for brief stretches. He's been outstanding on defense, too.
 
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Yo I dead ass seen a 4'9 guy get a flagrant 2 on a 6'10 guy.

 
Fair enough. And don't take my comments below as dismissing your argument, because I do appreciate it.

My only questions to you would be, first, who on the Warriors can guard Kyrie or LeBron. Kawhi can guard both, and Danny Green is just as good of a defender as Klay Thompson. In addition, Dedmon is a rim protector who can just as easily play switch defense, something the Warriors don't have.

No offense taken, I like a good back and forth debate. I think the Warriors will throw Durant and Igoudala at LeBron, Klay on Irving.

Second, who on the Cavs is guarding Aldridge? In my mind, he's the guy the Cavs make beat them, but that is still a ballsy strategy.

TT. Since LeBron came back, we've matched up with LMA 5 times. He's only scored more than 18 points on us once (38 points when, IIRC, he was just killing everyone in his last year in Portland). I can live with that.

And third, Kyrie, Shump, and Deron are undisciplined defenders, even if the latter two have displayed good defensive chops in the past. How do they do running around San Antonio's weave plays?

Well, I think this is probably an issue regardless of who we are playing, with how we have played defense this year. Aside from Kawhi, I feel like we should be able to switch pretty much everything on any weaves the perimeter players of the Spurs run. I will admit I haven't watched a ton of Spurs recently so I may not be understanding exactly what their weave looks like, but I think that's what we would try... correct me if this wouldn't be possible.

Warriors are an offensive force unlike anything the Spurs can pose. The Spurs are a defensive force unlike anything the Warriors can pose. Difference, to me, is that in a series against the Cavs, San Antonio's offense is more of a threat than Golden State's defense.

Maybe they aren't anymore, but before Durant's injury, GS had the #1 defense. GS will switch almost anything that doesn't involve Curry against us (in a lineup of Curry-Klay-Iggy-Durant-Green), which has proven to make us go into isolation the past two Finals and it really limits the open three looks we get. Spurs may try something similar, but they don't really have the personnel. LeBron will either play bully ball with any perimeter guy other than Kawhi, or should be able to go by any of their bigs (maybe Dedmon can stay in front somewhat, but LMA and Pau are slow and will either be giving up a wide open three or a blow by) if they try to switch. If not, it allows us to run less iso and hopefully open up looks for our shooters.

And Kyrie should be able to get by pretty much anyone as well.

Ultimately, I think both teams will be very, very difficult to beat. It's going to be another brutal series.

Agree.

EDIT: I'd also posit that Simmons could guard LBJ and/or Kyrie for brief stretches. He's been outstanding on defense, too.

Will be interesting to see if Pop trusts him in the playoffs. IIRC he didn't last year, but maybe Pop trusts him more now. He'd be a good option to throw on Curry as well as far as WCF are concerned.

I do think rebounding could be an issue. LeBron will step it up which will help, but I've also seen Kawhi be a monster on the offensive glass in the playoffs. His rebounding is down this year, so maybe the increased scoring load (shot attempts - not being able to go after boards?) is part of that. But if he's shooting, LeBron will be less likely to be near the rim to rebound as well.
 
What the hell happened to to the Hawks? Two weeks ago it looked like they could make a run to 4th, now they're in danger of dropping to 7th.
 
I can't get on board with being more worried about the Spurs. The thing about the Spurs is that while they're great, they don't have another gear to go to in the playoffs anymore because their guard play is not elite the way it used to be.

Kawhi is their engine offensively, and in fourth quarters especially, LeBron is gonna spend a lot of time guarding Kawhi, and Kawhi is probably going to have a difficult time scoring efficiently against "Finals LeBron". He won't be getting around him, so he's going to have to take a lot of contested jumpers.

They have nobody to handle Kyrie. He'd leave Simmons and Green behind in a cloud of dust. Kawhi is the only guy , and he will have to guard LeBron or they'll have even bigger problems.

They're a good team, but I think a lot of games are going to come down to Kawhi trying to score on LeBron versus Kyrie trying to score on their secondary defenders.

Also, we can/will close games with LBJ at the 4 and San Antonio is going to have a hell of a time keeping more than 1 big on the floor against that lineup. Popovich doesn't like when LeBron is able to be a playmaker.
 
No offense taken, I like a good back and forth debate. I think the Warriors will throw Durant and Igoudala at LeBron, Klay on Irving.

Definitely agreed on what the Warriors will do. I think, as a wing defender, Kawhi is noticeably better than Durant and Iggy. Durant has done a great job playing in the post this year, though. But nonetheless, I think Kawhi is the only guy in the NBA who can effectively and consistently mitigate LeBron's offense impact.

In terms of Klay, Danny Green is just as good of a perimeter defender. So we should see how Kyrie will score in that series based on our history against the Warriors in the Finals: i.e., Kyrie will go off.

TT. Since LeBron came back, we've matched up with LMA 5 times. He's only scored more than 18 points on us once (38 points when, IIRC, he was just killing everyone in his last year in Portland). I can live with that.

This is an interesting stat. My concern is that, if we throw TT at LMA, that means Love has to cover Dedmon... I don't think that's a killer, but it will hurt us in terms of defensive rebounding.

Well, I think this is probably an issue regardless of who we are playing, with how we have played defense this year. Aside from Kawhi, I feel like we should be able to switch pretty much everything on any weaves the perimeter players of the Spurs run. I will admit I haven't watched a ton of Spurs recently so I may not be understanding exactly what their weave looks like, but I think that's what we would try... correct me if this wouldn't be possible.

So the Spurs use the weave to attack switching defenses. Their goal is to get Kawhi or Aldridge on a smaller guy. Nonetheless, your point about the Warriors is well-taken, we'll have other defensive issues against Golden State.

Maybe they aren't anymore, but before Durant's injury, GS had the #1 defense. GS will switch almost anything that doesn't involve Curry against us (in a lineup of Curry-Klay-Iggy-Durant-Green), which has proven to make us go into isolation the past two Finals and it really limits the open three looks we get. Spurs may try something similar, but they don't really have the personnel. LeBron will either play bully ball with any perimeter guy other than Kawhi, or should be able to go by any of their bigs (maybe Dedmon can stay in front somewhat, but LMA and Pau are slow and will either be giving up a wide open three or a blow by) if they try to switch. If not, it allows us to run less iso and hopefully open up looks for our shooters.

The nice thing about switching defenses, though, is we are arguably the best team in the NBA at attacking them because of how difficult Kyrie and LeBron are to guard.

I doubt the Spurs try switching that much. Maybe they do it when Tony Parker and Pau Gasol are not in the game... But other than that, over the past few weeks, I don't see them utilize switching defenses all that frequently.

Also, one last point, LMA is actually an oddly good switch defender. Per Synergy, when LMA is switched, he only allows .836 points per possession, which is in the top 20% of NBA bigs. He's also an elite Isolation defender, allowing only .793 points per possession (top 28% in the entire NBA). Also, when the ball handler goes away from the screen and Aldridge goes over the pick (33.9% of the time), he is the best pick-and-roll defender in the NBA, allowing only .35 points per possession.

I totally agree on Pau. I doubt he plays many minutes in a series against us.

And Kyrie should be able to get by pretty much anyone as well.

Yep, he'd be our key in this series.

Will be interesting to see if Pop trusts him in the playoffs. IIRC he didn't last year, but maybe Pop trusts him more now. He'd be a good option to throw on Curry as well as far as WCF are concerned.

Pop is trusting him more this season than last year. I think he plays major minutes in a series against us, Golden State, Houston, and/or Oklahoma City... Probably not as much against Clippers or Jazz.

I do think rebounding could be an issue. LeBron will step it up which will help, but I've also seen Kawhi be a monster on the offensive glass in the playoffs. His rebounding is down this year, so maybe the increased scoring load (shot attempts - not being able to go after boards?) is part of that. But if he's shooting, LeBron will be less likely to be near the rim to rebound as well.

I think the rebounding issue depends on who we have guard Aldridge. If Love is guarding Aldridge, and you're just willing to let Aldridge beat you, rebounding shouldn't be a huge problem. If we want to neutralize Aldridge by using TT on him, and force Love to play as our primary rebounder, it could be a big problem.

The one good thing is that the Spurs are not as reliant on offensive rebounds as we are. In a lot of situations they'll only leave one guy (Dedmon usually, but David Lee and Pau too) to try and get the rebound, and everyone else will run back to prevent transition points.

This is an awesome conversation, by the way. I'm really enjoying it!
 
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