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Potential destinations for Antawn Jamison

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bigfoot5415 said:
While it is a pretty good idea, and I like the thought of a Milwuakee 2013 1st rounder. I just dont see it. Yes we are essentially putting free agency on hold, but the reason free agency is so exciting this year is because we have only like 5 contracts guaranteed next year. This offseason were going to re-up a few players and fill a few holes if we take that route. Which means the 17 off our books next season will leave us at just that. I would rather have 28 mil in cap this year and have a choice of who we want to sign and resign, as opposed to next year were we will already have had to resign our own players. Its hard to explain, but only having 5 contracts on the books next year gives us options now. Next season we will probably have 8-9 players guaranteed.
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While you do make a lot of sense, I have to disagree. I'd do a trade similar to the Milwaukee trade Gymbo proposed (great idea btw, +1), and spend this off-season figuring out which guys we're going to keep going forward, such as re-upping on Gee, exercising Gibson's team option, seeing where Assfingers stands, and seeing where Samuels/Eyenga stand (...or sit, for that matter :chuckles:). While I would love to see a Brook Lopez or a Roy Hibbert here, I don't think we're ready to make that kind of move. And we all know that it's going to be tough to pry away those RFA's anyway. It's a big risk to "stay flexible" with our cap space hoping we're going to sign a max guy, because we run the risk of coming away with nothing, instead of accquiring picks.

Think about it, two lotto picks this year to go along with Kyrie, Tristan, Gee, Andy. Now I'm banking on NJ passing us both up here, but with the 6 and 7 positions in the NBA lottery, there is a 36.5% that one of the picks will be in the Top 3. If we hit on that 36.5%, our future is set! If we don't, we still get Beal with the #6 and whoever you wanna take at #7.

I have no doubts that Grant is on the phone shopping around for lotto picks with Dan's checkbook in hand. :thumbup:
 
With all the Marvin Williams for Sessions talk going on, I'm surprised Jamison hasn't come up as much in the Hawks rumors. Jamison actually might be a better fit for Atlanta, as they are 23rd in the league in scoring, and 26th in bench scoring. And their back up PF is some dude named Ivan Johnson (who?). The problem with them trading Marvin though, is their back up SF is Jerry Stackhouse's corpse (Jesus, looking at this bench, no wonder the Hawks suck so bad). So we may entice them even more by including Casspi. So my proposal would look like this:

Jamison and Casspi

for

M. Williams, K. Hinrich, and ATL 2012 1st rounder

The Hawks get their scoring punch and a younger, cheaper, project of a SF. They can either start Casspi, start Jamison at the 3, or slide Josh Smith to the 3 and start Jamison at the 4. Our incentive is obviously the 1st rounder, and the fact that we'd get to roll the dice on Williams. Not to mention Sessions would still be available to the highest bidder.
 
UDcleveland said:
With all the Marvin Williams for Sessions talk going on, I'm surprised Jamison hasn't come up as much in the Hawks rumors. Jamison actually might be a better fit for Atlanta, as they are 23rd in the league in scoring, and 26th in bench scoring. And their back up PF is some dude named Ivan Johnson (who?). The problem with them trading Marvin though, is their back up SF is Jerry Stackhouse's corpse (Jesus, looking at this bench, no wonder the Hawks suck so bad). So we may entice them even more by including Casspi. So my proposal would look like this:

Jamison and Casspi

for

M. Williams, K. Hinrich, and ATL 2012 1st rounder

The Hawks get their scoring punch and a younger, cheaper, project of a SF. They can either start Casspi, start Jamison at the 3, or slide Josh Smith to the 3 and start Jamison at the 4. Our incentive is obviously the 1st rounder, and the fact that we'd get to roll the dice on Williams. Not to mention Sessions would still be available to the highest bidder.
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I think that a Sessions trade for Williams would include Jamison by default. I am just not sure that throwing 3 million in cash on the deal would be enough to offset. It is a 20-16 ratio salary wise. The next two seasons though is 16 to 4.

Thats a 12 million savings long term. Cavs would definitely need to put some cash on that deal.
 
UDcleveland said:
With all the Marvin Williams for Sessions talk going on, I'm surprised Jamison hasn't come up as much in the Hawks rumors. Jamison actually might be a better fit for Atlanta, as they are 23rd in the league in scoring, and 26th in bench scoring. And their back up PF is some dude named Ivan Johnson (who?). The problem with them trading Marvin though, is their back up SF is Jerry Stackhouse's corpse (Jesus, looking at this bench, no wonder the Hawks suck so bad). So we may entice them even more by including Casspi. So my proposal would look like this:

Jamison and Casspi

for

M. Williams, K. Hinrich, and ATL 2012 1st rounder

The Hawks get their scoring punch and a younger, cheaper, project of a SF. They can either start Casspi, start Jamison at the 3, or slide Josh Smith to the 3 and start Jamison at the 4. Our incentive is obviously the 1st rounder, and the fact that we'd get to roll the dice on Williams. Not to mention Sessions would still be available to the highest bidder.
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Fantastic trade, and I'd do it in a heartbeat. I'm warming to the idea of Williams as a two-year experiment. Young guy with potential, plus we could come away with not one, but TWO first-rounders from Sessions/Jamison/others if we're lucky. That would be fan-freaking-tastic...

On the other side, I'm sure fans and FO in Atlanta still view their squad as a playoff team/title contender, so they can sell Jamison as adding rather than subtracting, plus Jamison's expiring deal gives them some flexibility that way too.

Imagine that, a trade that makes sense on this board...
 
lbusiness said:
http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=7c8hqbh

Buy out Fisher
And Walton
Keep Blake for insurance
Get lakers 1rst 2012
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I doubt Walton would even accept a buyout. He has two years left on his deal with a total salary of almost $12 Million. Plus he sucks, and probably wouldn't secure another NBA bench spot after his contract is up. So we'd basically have to offer him about a $10 Million dollar retirement package (and he still may not take it). Fisher would demand a good amount in a buyout scenario too (I'd guess about $5 Million). So we'd be giving up two of our assets (Jamison's expiring and Sessions), plus paying about 15 Million in buyouts just for the 1st. Financially it would be similar to just buying out Jamison. Why risk Walton not taking a buyout, and taking Blake's contract, when we could probably get more value by trading Sessions alone?
 
This trade keeps from tanking intentionally.
This trade gets us in the top 5.
 
I had this video game where you could run an airline. You had to set up routes. set rates. I was pretty good at it. I am pretty sure though that if United Airlines made me their CEO it would be a disaster.
 
Tornicade said:
I think that a Sessions trade for Williams would include Jamison by default. I am just not sure that throwing 3 million in cash on the deal would be enough to offset. It is a 20-16 ratio salary wise. The next two seasons though is 16 to 4.

Thats a 12 million savings long term. Cavs would definitely need to put some cash on that deal.
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You're mistaken.

Marvin makes 7.5 million this season and next, and has an option for nearly 8 million in 2014.

Sessions= $4.2m + Jamison= $15.1m

Jamison and Sessions cannot be sent to the Hawks for just Marvin; The Hawks would need to send back at-least 9.9 million more to make the trade work.

The Hawks are over the tax threshold by nearly 13 million, so they need to have the incoming aggragate salaries be within 125% plus $100k of what they are sending out.

The previous poster suggested Jamison for Williams and Hinrich because their their combined salaries are within the salary-rule for teams over the tax threshold.

However, the only way I see the Cavs getting Atlanta's #1 in that situation is if the Cavs were to include Sessions and Casspi - which would pose another problem... the Hawks would have need to add a couple players like Stackhouse and Pargo to the deal (Hawks would need to send out an additional -approx- 1million in addition to Kirk and Marvin) to make the numbers ($) & and rosters work.
 
Rysen said:
You're mistaken.

Marvin makes 7.5 million this season and next, and has an option for nearly 8 million in 2014.

Sessions= $4.2m + Jamison= $15.1m

Jamison and Sessions cannot be sent to the Hawks for just Marvin; The Hawks would need to send back at-least 9.9 million more to make the trade work.

The Hawks are over the tax threshold by nearly 13 million, so they need to have the incoming aggragate salaries be within 125% plus $100k of what they are sending out.

The previous poster suggested Jamison for Williams and Hinrich because their their combined salaries are within the salary-rule for teams over the tax threshold.

However, the only way I see the Cavs getting Atlanta's #1 in that situation is if the Cavs were to include Sessions and Casspi - which would pose another problem... the Hawks would have need to add a couple players like Stackhouse and Pargo to the deal (Hawks would need to send out an additional -approx- 1million in addition to Kirk and Marvin) to make the numbers ($) & and rosters work.
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I don't see any way that atlanta makes that deal because Cassipi is included. If I am Atlanta giving up Williams and a first rounder, I am looking for sessions, gee and Jamison in return.. Hinrich is just filler, since he is expiring anyway. I think Antawn makes up the points off the bench, gee plays Marvin's minutes and defends as well. That is a lot of trade assets for a late first round pick in any draft. So we would have to be thinking Williams is a piece of the future. I would hope we could do better, but we are late in the clock and I have not seen much progress.
 
Windhorst said this morning that teams are calling the Cavs about Jamison. That things have picked up. That there is action, but no traction yet.
 
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