Potential destinations for Antawn Jamison

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Even though we would probably buy him out, I would love having O'Neal on the Cavs. Was one of my favorite players to watch over the years. Dude used to take Big Z to the woodshed when he still had knees.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

If the cavs dont intend on keeping the player a 4 year contract is feasible. as long as it can be split to 5 million or less a year.

Agreed. Taking on a deal like that could get us a nice pick.

 

[Simon]

Were all about getting picks. Our goal is to get draft picks, and I read somewhere a young wing player too.

 

[Pavlovic3Ball]

Were all about getting picks. Our goal is to get draft picks, and I read somewhere a young wing player too.

Yea, I would rather have the picks. But getting both would be pretty nice

 

[jlegg21]

I dont wanna deal with the Mavs, because they'll try to push Shawn Marion on us. He's the key for them to get enough room for 2 max players, and I want no part of his act or his 3 year deal on a young roster. Now if they wanna sweeten it with picks, fine but I still see them landing some major firepower in FA, and they're every bit the contender for Howard that Jersey is.

I'd love to get an unprotected future pick from LA or Boston... LA is a year or two away, and Boston is already finished.

 

[Ohio]

If he repeats his 1st half performance he'll have over 50 in which case he's awesome in which case Michael Jordan gives us his 1st rounder :chuckles:

 

[bigfoot5415]

He's definetly raising his stock. Keep it up, just don't let us win.

 

[N7RobBob]

He's definetly raising his stock. Keep it up, just don't let us win.

Kyrie decided to take over the fourth so Antwan had no say in it!

 

[Tornicade]

If your a playoff contender or a struggling offense looking for someone to pace your team from the bench. Jamison is looking pretty good.

 

[Rysen]

I was including Hinrich.

This is the Jamison thread. discussing a trade that didnt inlcude jamison.. on the jamison thread would be kind of silly wouldnt it

but they can be sent. Jamison + sessions. Williams + Henrich + 3 million which teams are allowed to include.

I went back to the post that I quoted you on, and said you were mistaken. You never said anything about Hinrich. You in-fact were responding to another post that questioned why with all the Sessions for Williams talk, Jamison wasn't talked about more in that trade scenario. You said that Jamison was included by Default. You did not include Kirk. I did. And the poster you responded to did; but not you.

Here is what was said:

With all the Marvin Williams for Sessions talk going on, I'm surprised Jamison hasn't come up as much in the Hawks rumors. Jamison actually might be a better fit for Atlanta, as they are 23rd in the league in scoring, and 26th in bench scoring. And their back up PF is some dude named Ivan Johnson (who?). The problem with them trading Marvin though, is their back up SF is Jerry Stackhouse's corpse (Jesus, looking at this bench, no wonder the Hawks suck so bad). So we may entice them even more by including Casspi. So my proposal would look like this:

Jamison and Casspi

for

M. Williams, K. Hinrich, and ATL 2012 1st rounder

The Hawks get their scoring punch and a younger, cheaper, project of a SF. They can either start Casspi, start Jamison at the 3, or slide Josh Smith to the 3 and start Jamison at the 4. Our incentive is obviously the 1st rounder, and the fact that we'd get to roll the dice on Williams. Not to mention Sessions would still be available to the highest bidder.

I think that a Sessions trade for Williams would include Jamison by default. I am just not sure that throwing 3 million in cash on the deal would be enough to offset. It is a 20-16 ratio salary wise. The next two seasons though is 16 to 4.

Thats a 12 million savings long term. Cavs would definitely need to put some cash on that deal.

then I posted:

You're mistaken.

Marvin makes 7.5 million this season and next, and has an option for nearly 8 million in 2014.

Sessions= $4.2m + Jamison= $15.1m

Jamison and Sessions cannot be sent to the Hawks for just Marvin; The Hawks would need to send back at-least 9.9 million more to make the trade work.

The Hawks are over the tax threshold by nearly 13 million, so they need to have the incoming aggragate salaries be within 125% plus $100k of what they are sending out.

The previous poster suggested Jamison for Williams and Hinrich because their their combined salaries are within the salary-rule for teams over the tax threshold.

However, the only way I see the Cavs getting Atlanta's #1 in that situation is if the Cavs were to include Sessions and Casspi - which would pose another problem... the Hawks would have need to add a couple players like Stackhouse and Pargo to the deal (Hawks would need to send out an additional -approx- 1million in addition to Kirk and Marvin) to make the numbers ($) & and rosters work.

And when I said :
"The previous poster suggested Jamison for Williams and Hinrich because their their combined salaries are within the salary-rule for teams over the tax threshold."

I was referring to UDcleveland as the "previous poster," as he had been the member who made the original post that began this branch.

It is "Obvious" that Kirk & Marvin together would equal Jamison Or Jamison and Sessions. But UDcleveland suggested that Jamison was the better fit, but that since we were taking the starting SF we'd need to add Casspi.

You said that Jamison was in a "Sessions for Williams trade" by default... you never even hinted about Hintich... which is why I made my post.

 

[Numbers Guy]

Cleveland Cavaliers: Antwan Jamison's Stranglehold on Power Forward Position

Glaring Weakness: Antwan Jamison's age and huge contract

Quick Trade Fix: PF Antwan Jamison, SF Omri Caspi and G Manny Harris to Kings for PF DeMarcus Cousins and SG John Salmons and 2012 second-round draft pick

Jamison hasn't been bad this year for the Cleveland Cavaliers, but he hasn't been anything special either, and if the Cavaliers are focused on their future, they would be smart to deal Jamison's average production and massive contract.

Earlier on in the year, DeMarcus Cousins missed a few games after reportedly demanding a trade, and the Kings would be smart to deal his youth to a team that needs it, especially if they can get a player in return who would bring some leadership to their team.

This trade makes sense for both teams, as it lets the Cavaliers unload Jamison's massive contract, while the Kings get to unload Salmons' contract as well.

Chance this trade happens: 15.0 percent

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-quick-trade-fix-for-all-30-nba-teams/page/6

lol.

 

[The Process God]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-quick-trade-fix-for-all-30-nba-teams/page/6

lol.

 

[Rysen]

Cleveland Cavaliers: Antwan Jamison's Stranglehold on Power Forward Position

Glaring Weakness: Antwan Jamison's age and huge contract

Quick Trade Fix: PF Antwan Jamison, SF Omri Caspi and G Manny Harris to Kings for PF DeMarcus Cousins and SG John Salmons and 2012 second-round draft pick

Jamison hasn't been bad this year for the Cleveland Cavaliers, but he hasn't been anything special either, and if the Cavaliers are focused on their future, they would be smart to deal Jamison's average production and massive contract.

Earlier on in the year, DeMarcus Cousins missed a few games after reportedly demanding a trade, and the Kings would be smart to deal his youth to a team that needs it, especially if they can get a player in return who would bring some leadership to their team.

This trade makes sense for both teams, as it lets the Cavaliers unload Jamison's massive contract, while the Kings get to unload Salmons' contract as well.

Chance this trade happens: 15.0 percent



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...d-quick-trade-fix-for-all-30-nba-teams/page/6


lol.

I know that a lot of people think that BR is just a bunch of crap... and some of the writers on the site are - but not all of them. Shultz, and a few others that I know of, are pretty decent writers, and try to actually do a good job.

This proposed trade is about as likely as some of the ones that I've come up with (and some of the ones credited to me that weren't actually mine), that's to say - Not a chance in hell!!!

That fact aside, I'd shit a brick if we got Cousins for that package ... 2nd round pick be damned!

 

[The Process God]

I know that a lot of people think that BR is just a bunch of crap... and some of the writers on the site are - but not all of them. Shultz, and a few others that I know of, are pretty decent writers, and try to actually do a good job.

This proposed trade is about as likely as some of the ones that I've come up with (and some of the ones credited to me that weren't actually mine), that's to say - Not a chance in hell!!!

That fact aside, I'd shit a brick if we got Cousins for that package ... 2nd round pick be damned!

Maybe if we throw every last pick we own, the trade would work? Wait. Where did I get that idea? :chuckles:

Based on the rumors over the last couple hours... what about this for a three-way trade:

Minnesota In: Sacramento 2012 1st, Hornets 2012 2nd, Orlando 2013 2nd
Minnesota out: Michael Beasley

Why: The Wolves turned down a deal for a 1st for Beasley from the Lakers, but that deal included them taking back a player. This deal has them taking back no players, getting a 1st, a very high 2012 2nd, and another 2nd next year. Hard to see them getting a better deal.

Lakers in: Ramon Sessions, Michael Beasley, Cavs 2012 2nd, Orl 2014 2nd
Lakers out: Lakers 2012 1st, Dallas 2012 1st, Walton, cash

Why: The Lakers want Beasley and Sessions, but haven't been able to work out a deal that they like. This deal nets them two second rounders, and relieves them of Walton... one of the 2nd rounders is a high 2012 in a deep draft. Plus getting BOTH of these players will make them relevant during the playoffs this season.

Cavs in: Dallas 2012 1st, Lakers 2012 1st, Walton, cash from Lakers
Cavs out: Sessions, Sac 2012 1st, own 2012 2nd, Char 2012 2nd, Orl 2013 & 2014 2nd rounders

Why: Cavaliers gain 2 1st round picks for 2012, so they can acquire the players they really want. Cavs give up four second round picks and a highly protected sacramento 1st, but with the additional two firsts this year, the Cavs will have no use for two more rookies from the second round this year, and they have multiple 1st rounders after this year, so the Orlando 2nd rounders are well spent. The suckiest part of this trade is Walton, but with the money received from the Lakers, the Cavaliers add-in whatever they need to, to buy-out Walton... or they just waive him.

 

[Smooth]

The problem right now in trading Jamison isn't so much interest on either end, the Cavs wanting to trade him or teams being interested, as much as Jamison's contract is holding everything up... Right now Jamison's contract is very large and it's hard to match-up contracts with it... There aren't the bloated, filler contracts on teams books like there have been the past few years... While some players may be overpaid and some players may have bad contracts, it's not to the point of teams doing anything to dump them..

So really now the question really becomes how much money and how many years are the Cavs willing to take back in a trade for Jamison... I don't see any large deals being worth it... With Grant talking about flexibility, I don't see him trading Jamison just to trade him...