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Re: Cavs Media Day

I wasn't trolling I really was just wondering. I don't live in Cleveland so I never saw that in the paper. In my defense, many times people just assume that players love the city they play in.

Yes, Z went ring-chasing for a year. Nothing can deny that. The Cavs also traded him and didn't treat him gracefully his final year here. It doesn't seem to matter now on either side.

There have been many reports here, including the ones quoted above as well as anecdotes posted by Cavs insiders on this board, that suggest how much Z likes Cleveland and Cavs fans. And, after his long, lucrative career, it's also hard to imagine he needs the money to do scouting and low-level front-office work. He must like it.
 
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not to mention Z still practices with the team at times, can be seen at local bars and embraces everyone calling Zeller "Z"...
he gave everything he had to Cleveland, I have no qualms with him wanting a ring. Thats the difference between him and LBJ, lebron was a quitter when he was here AND quit the team to go to Miami. Two totally different ways to leave the city

To be more on topic..The videos with Kyrie and Tristan are hilarious
 
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not to mention Z still practices with the team at times, can be seen at local bars and embraces everyone calling Zeller "Z"...
he gave everything he had to Cleveland, I have no qualms with him wanting a ring. Thats the difference between him and LBJ, lebron was a quitter when he was here AND quit the team to go to Miami. Two totally different ways to leave the city

To be more on topic..The videos with Kyrie and Tristan are hilarious

This whole thing is hilarious.. "Quit the team...". Z gets the biggest pass ever because he learned better social skills. He "let us know" before ring chasing. Actually so did LeBron. But Z is so polite! He says thank you! They both wanted the same thing, to win. As far as what they provided on the floor for Cleveland, there's no comparison. LeBron elevated and produced more for the Cavaliers than anybody else at the time of his departure. His awkward exit, orchestrated by the same people you all worshipped, ESPN, LeBron, and whoever, was not so hot. But the difference in feelings between Z and LeBron, if we're talking about what they provided to the franchise, there's no comparison. LeBron got a whole lot more done on the floor than Z. He's responsible for a whole lot more playoff victories than Z. He was worshipped (here) for a reason.

I apologize for getting off topic. But the photo of Z shooting a mid range jumper in a Cavs uniform made me a little queasy. Terrell Brandon, Mark Price, and others did more for Cavs teams over the years and you're not going to see their game photos posted in a 2012 Cavs Media Day thread. (feel free to post some, just sayin')

And last, I don't think a guy that's practicing with the team should be visibly hitting the bars at all. It sets the bar lower for what is expected in practice and it's unprofessional (on a sports team). If he's just doing some one on one stuff whatever, but if he's trying to run with the team and be part of a 5 man squad in practice, he owes them 100% physically and mentally, as we should be expecting from each of them. Set a good example, Z!

The franchise has carried Z a lot more than Z has carried the franchise, but he's polite it so maybe it's the other way around.. ??? Gimme a break. Please. I'm not just saying that like a figure of speech. Please, give me a break, from the Z era of Cavs basketball, in a 2012 Media Day thread in the Cavs forum.

I'm asking politely!
 
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This whole thing is hilarious.. "Quit the team...". Z gets the biggest pass ever because he learned better social skills. He "let us know" before ring chasing. Actually so did LeBron. But Z is so polite! He says thank you! They both wanted the same thing, to win. As far as what they provided on the floor for Cleveland, there's no comparison. LeBron elevated and produced more for the Cavaliers than anybody else at the time of his departure. His awkward exit, orchestrated by the same people you all worshipped, ESPN, LeBron, and whoever, was not so hot. But the difference in feelings between Z and LeBron, if we're talking about what they provided to the franchise, there's no comparison. LeBron got a whole lot more done on the floor than Z. He's responsible for a whole lot more playoff victories than Z. He was worshipped (here) for a reason.

I apologize for getting off topic. But the photo of Z shooting a mid range jumper in a Cavs uniform made me a little queasy. Terrell Brandon, Mark Price, and others did more for Cavs teams over the years and you're not going to see their game photos posted in a 2012 Cavs Media Day thread. (feel free to post some, just sayin')

And last, I don't think a guy that's practicing with the team should be visibly hitting the bars at all. It sets the bar lower for what is expected in practice and it's unprofessional (on a sports team). If he's just doing some one on one stuff whatever, but if he's trying to run with the team and be part of a 5 man squad in practice, he owes them 100% physically and mentally, as we should be expecting from each of them. Set a good example, Z!

The franchise has carried Z a lot more than Z has carried the franchise, but he's polite it so maybe it's the other way around.. ??? Gimme a break. Please. I'm not just saying that like a figure of speech. Please, give me a break, from the Z era of Cavs basketball, in a 2012 Media Day thread in the Cavs forum.

I'm asking politely!

Lighten up.

First off, almost everyone on this board has shown their disdain for ESPN on numerous topics, so I'm not sure where this idea of a love fest evolved from.

Second, when I was going to Kent State, I worked at the Peninsula Winking Lizard. It was pretty close to the old Richfield Coliseum. Many a night, current and former Cavs players and coaches alike could be seen enjoying a beer or three, dinner, etc. with fellow players and/or their families. I personally met John Hot Rod Williams, Larry Nance, Mark Price, Mike Fratello, Craig Ehlo, and a few other less known guys there in my short time working there.

These guys are human beings. Setting a good example has not one thing to do with patronizing some of the local establishments. MOF, a little off court chemistry never hurt anything. If hitting a bar is unprofessional, you could probably disqualify about 99% of all pro athletes right off the bat. On the contrary, I'd rather these guys be encouraged to hang out "off duty."
 
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This whole thing is hilarious.. "Quit the team...". Z gets the biggest pass ever because he learned better social skills. He "let us know" before ring chasing. Actually so did LeBron. But Z is so polite! He says thank you! They both wanted the same thing, to win. As far as what they provided on the floor for Cleveland, there's no comparison. LeBron elevated and produced more for the Cavaliers than anybody else at the time of his departure. His awkward exit, orchestrated by the same people you all worshipped, ESPN, LeBron, and whoever, was not so hot. But the difference in feelings between Z and LeBron, if we're talking about what they provided to the franchise, there's no comparison. LeBron got a whole lot more done on the floor than Z. He's responsible for a whole lot more playoff victories than Z. He was worshipped (here) for a reason.

I apologize for getting off topic. But the photo of Z shooting a mid range jumper in a Cavs uniform made me a little queasy. Terrell Brandon, Mark Price, and others did more for Cavs teams over the years and you're not going to see their game photos posted in a 2012 Cavs Media Day thread. (feel free to post some, just sayin')

And last, I don't think a guy that's practicing with the team should be visibly hitting the bars at all. It sets the bar lower for what is expected in practice and it's unprofessional (on a sports team). If he's just doing some one on one stuff whatever, but if he's trying to run with the team and be part of a 5 man squad in practice, he owes them 100% physically and mentally, as we should be expecting from each of them. Set a good example, Z!

The franchise has carried Z a lot more than Z has carried the franchise, but he's polite it so maybe it's the other way around.. ??? Gimme a break. Please. I'm not just saying that like a figure of speech. Please, give me a break, from the Z era of Cavs basketball, in a 2012 Media Day thread in the Cavs forum.

I'm asking politely!

:wtf: You've got to be kidding.
 
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And last, I don't think a guy that's practicing with the team should be visibly hitting the bars at all. It sets the bar lower for what is expected in practice and it's unprofessional (on a sports team).

Maybe Z should be hitting the strip clubs and hosting parties at dance clubs?
 
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I can understand RTree's anti Z rant to a certain level. To me, Z had a lot of Rik Smits in his game. A big time talent who for various reasons (health being key amongst them) never could rise to the level i thought he had within himself.

That being said, i'm fine with the Cavaliers embracing him and using his positive attributes to help move this franchise forward. If anything, he can show how far determination can carry you.
 
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Z waited till the end of his career to chase a ring. That's all you can ask for from a player in today's NBA.
 
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Z waited till the end of his career to chase a ring. That's all you can ask for from a player in today's NBA.
Yeah that OTHER one sure didn't..he couldn't wait to get outta here to go get his bubble gum ring.
 
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Lighten up.

First off, almost everyone on this board has shown their disdain for ESPN on numerous topics, so I'm not sure where this idea of a love fest evolved from.

Second, when I was going to Kent State, I worked at the Peninsula Winking Lizard. It was pretty close to the old Richfield Coliseum. Many a night, current and former Cavs players and coaches alike could be seen enjoying a beer or three, dinner, etc. with fellow players and/or their families. I personally met John Hot Rod Williams, Larry Nance, Mark Price, Mike Fratello, Craig Ehlo, and a few other less known guys there in my short time working there.

These guys are human beings. Setting a good example has not one thing to do with patronizing some of the local establishments. MOF, a little off court chemistry never hurt anything. If hitting a bar is unprofessional, you could probably disqualify about 99% of all pro athletes right off the bat. On the contrary, I'd rather these guys be encouraged to hang out "off duty."

First, all good points, I'll try to lighten up.

On the first bold, how did that turn out for us? Not saying it's the reason we don't have a ring, but would Michael have hit the game winning shot if Ehlo's mind and body were a smidgen quicker? Bonding is great, and important, but so is getting the body and mind to perform at top level. There are always exceptions perhaps due to personalities of course, and occasionally some beer can be good for a guy, help them settle their mind the right way or get out of a mental funk.

But overall, as a habit or daily thing, alcohol dehydrates the body (brain included) and muscles don't behave as efficiently. Cramping, muscle tears, general tightness, and in my opinion, increased injuries are what you get when mixing alcohol with athletics. It should be avoided if possible. Sure your body can recover, but it's never as quickly as most people think imo.

On the second bold... No, I disagree. So many of these Cavs are super young, maybe not even old enough to go to a bar (although Dec 1 is Waiters' 21st birthday!) They don't know how to limit themselves yet, and will surely over extend their consumption causing damage to their bodies. I did. You did. It's how we learned to handle our alcohol. But I'd like to suggest that such self discovery could be put on hold for 10 years, or til retirement, when they'll have all the time in the world to go to bars. I'd rather wait, and enjoy a beer at the bar with a Cavalier when his career is over, so he can show me the Championship rings he's wearing up close.
 
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Maybe Z should be hitting the strip clubs and hosting parties at dance clubs?

Watching women take their clothes off, dancing, and drinking non-dehydrating drinks much less of a strain on the body.

Good idea.
 
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This whole thing is hilarious.. "Quit the team...". Z gets the biggest pass ever because he learned better social skills. He "let us know" before ring chasing. Actually so did LeBron. But Z is so polite! He says thank you! They both wanted the same thing, to win. As far as what they provided on the floor for Cleveland, there's no comparison. LeBron elevated and produced more for the Cavaliers than anybody else at the time of his departure. His awkward exit, orchestrated by the same people you all worshipped, ESPN, LeBron, and whoever, was not so hot. But the difference in feelings between Z and LeBron, if we're talking about what they provided to the franchise, there's no comparison. LeBron got a whole lot more done on the floor than Z. He's responsible for a whole lot more playoff victories than Z. He was worshipped (here) for a reason.

I apologize for getting off topic. But the photo of Z shooting a mid range jumper in a Cavs uniform made me a little queasy. Terrell Brandon, Mark Price, and others did more for Cavs teams over the years and you're not going to see their game photos posted in a 2012 Cavs Media Day thread. (feel free to post some, just sayin')

And last, I don't think a guy that's practicing with the team should be visibly hitting the bars at all. It sets the bar lower for what is expected in practice and it's unprofessional (on a sports team). If he's just doing some one on one stuff whatever, but if he's trying to run with the team and be part of a 5 man squad in practice, he owes them 100% physically and mentally, as we should be expecting from each of them. Set a good example, Z!

The franchise has carried Z a lot more than Z has carried the franchise, but he's polite it so maybe it's the other way around.. ??? Gimme a break. Please. I'm not just saying that like a figure of speech. Please, give me a break, from the Z era of Cavs basketball, in a 2012 Media Day thread in the Cavs forum.

I'm asking politely!

You claiming Cleveland fans worshiped ESPN, your paragraph about Z practicing with the team, and the general tone of your post suggest to me that you're simply intending to incite angry responses with this post, or "trolling" in the parlance of our times.

Like the last few posters, though, I'll bite.

You really truly genuinely don't understand why we're talking about Z, a current member of our front office, in this media day thread, where he was present and photographed? And, more baffling to me, you really can't tell the difference between the circumstances of his departure and Lebron's, other than what you've labeled politeness?

You know there's a difference between "ring chasing" at the absolute end of a player's career and doing so just as a player is entering his prime. You know that Z was here for 12 of his 13 years in the league, unceremoniously traded in his final year here (though yes he was summarily bought out and re-signed here), was just about ready for retirement, and had absolutely no place on a suddenly Lebron-less, basement-bound, rebuilding team. You know that he professed his love for us as fans and the city relentlessly throughout his career, was vocal in his gratitude to the organization for sticking with him through his foot injury, and, however meaningless it was to you, published an apology for his departure while it was happening. Lebron, however, relentlessly tormented the fanbase, as we can see through hindsight, with constant talk of impending free agency, strict commitment to a noncommittal attitude towards to the team, blatant teasing bullshit regarding support for other cities' other teams, refusal to fully embrace Cleveland, perpetuation of a ridiculous bright line divide between Cleveland and his "real home" Akron, complete surrender during his final appearances in a Cavs' uniform, a plot to buttfuck his friends in Miami from years prior, and the most insanely self-fellating, out-of-touch, insensitive, highly publicized, and just mean-spirited departure any pro-athlete has ever made from any city ever in the history of pro sports.

How good either player was at basketball has absolutely nothing to do with it.

And posting pictures of Price, et al. wouldn't make much sense here, despite the love that the city still has for them, just like Z, because they weren't at Cavs Media Day, like Z was, being that he's currently a part of the organization.

But, again, I have no choice but to believe you already know all of this and you've just been posting these silly things to get a rise out of fans like me. And for that, I can only offer a hearty "well done."
 
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You claiming Cleveland fans worshiped ESPN, your paragraph about Z practicing with the team, and the general tone of your post suggest to me that you're simply intending to incite angry responses with this post, or "trolling" in the parlance of our times.

Like the last few posters, though, I'll bite.

You really truly genuinely don't understand why we're talking about Z, a current member of our front office, in this media day thread, where he was present and photographed? And, more baffling to me, you really can't tell the difference between the circumstances of his departure and Lebron's, other than what you've labeled politeness?

You know there's a difference between "ring chasing" at the absolute end of a player's career and doing so just as a player is entering his prime. You know that Z was here for 12 of his 13 years in the league, unceremoniously traded in his final year here (though yes he was summarily bought out and re-signed here), was just about ready for retirement, and had absolutely no place on a suddenly Lebron-less, basement-bound, rebuilding team. You know that he professed his love for us as fans and the city relentlessly throughout his career, was vocal in his gratitude to the organization for sticking with him through his foot injury, and, however meaningless it was to you, published an apology for his departure while it was happening. Lebron, however, relentlessly tormented the fanbase, as we can see through hindsight, with constant talk of impending free agency, strict commitment to a noncommittal attitude towards to the team, blatant teasing bullshit regarding support for other cities' other teams, refusal to fully embrace Cleveland, perpetuation of a ridiculous bright line divide between Cleveland and his "real home" Akron, complete surrender during his final appearances in a Cavs' uniform, a plot to buttfuck his friends in Miami from years prior, and the most insanely self-fellating, out-of-touch, insensitive, highly publicized, and just mean-spirited departure any pro-athlete has ever made from any city ever in the history of pro sports.

How good either player was at basketball has absolutely nothing to do with it.

And posting pictures of Price, et al. wouldn't make much sense here, despite the love that the city still has for them, just like Z, because they weren't at Cavs Media Day, like Z was, being that he's currently a part of the organization.

But, again, I have no choice but to believe you already know all of this and you've just been posting these silly things to get a rise out of fans like me. And for that, I can only offer a hearty "well done."

I'm tired of Z as a Cavalier. I must be trolling. Got it.

The new argument being created out of all this.. "It's WHEN he left... not THAT he left".. Got it.

I guess you missed the photo of Z shooting a jumper as a Cavalier. Because we haven't watched that game lead us nowhere for the past 15 years. He was supposed to learn how to do a few basic and simple things as a center, take it up strong and finish quickly. Maybe even get stronger from year to year instead of weaker. But you guys were just thankful he could walk.

And then you guys pouted along with "the man himself" when the people finally realized (in this case Mike Brown) that he's done and can't really help the team anymore. Classy as hell.

Whatever. Enjoy your Z.

Edit: I am sorry, Z is "a Heat" in that photo. Still the same jumper though. It's probably going in, unless it's the playoffs.
 
I created a monster.
 
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Z waited till the end of his career to chase a ring. That's all you can ask for from a player in today's NBA.

Fans don't so much have a problem with Z ring chasing at a point in his career we clearly didn't need him anymore; but more so that his signing with the Heat was a validation of what James did. Surely if James had quit on the team, insulted his teammates, and betrayed them ... then logically only another traitor could possibly consider playing with him.
 

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