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On the topic of Collins though, am I the only one who finds it kind of screwed up that he was engaged to some girl for 8 years? He, in a way, held this woman hostage for a significant portion of her life, knowing full well that things were never going to work out. She was fully expecting to settle down, start a family, and have kids, and he waited 8 years to break it off despite knowing he was gay the whole time.

I don't know, seems a little messed up to me...
 
Czvosec said:
This thread seems to have run its course...

On the topic of Collins though, am I the only one who finds it kind of screwed up that he was engaged to some girl for 8 years? He, in a way, held this woman hostage for a significant portion of her life, knowing full well that things were never going to work out. She was fully expecting to settle down, start a family, and have kids, and he waited 8 years to break it off despite knowing he was gay the whole time.

I don't know, seems a little messed up to me...
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No one is saying he isn't an asshole.
 
Jack Brickman said:
And you don't think the odds are equally staggering that an all-powerful being not only exists, but created all of us for whatever reason and actually cares about us despite the fact that we are so far below his power and intellect? Is God a kid with an ant farm, only he expects the ants to build temples and worship him there?

I'd say the odds are equally staggering either way.
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Maybe, but I'm still picking god because it explains more for me. I think both of you guys are misunderstanding my problem with atheism. Never have I argued for Christianity in here, only in some sort of creator.

The Man Called X said:
Controlled chaos is personally the theory I subscribe to.

As to what best explains the universe, I tend to stick with the rubber band theory. Universe expands to the point where it can't control the expansion, and rubber bands backwards into itself, thus creating another big bang theory. But because I can't prove it by going backwards or forwards in time, clearly my theory has no logic to it, and the only logical conclusion is that some all mighty powerful being created everything, including himself. For all his infallibleness, he still managed to fuck up numerous times.

Ancient aliens explains your God, explains your angels that tried to overthrow god, explains the countless Gods that existed before the monotheistic God. It doesn't need to explain how the universe was created, because if the belief is that God created the universe, and God was really just an extinct alien race, we're no closer to the answer of how everything came into existence than we were believing that some magic power did it all. At least then I can account for the thousands of years of human history before the invention of a monotheistic God.
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There are problems with that theory. Entropy always increases, that is the universe spreads farther and farther apart as the cycle goes on. That implies that there was an initial boom, or big bang... Anyway, you can believe the universe always existed, and I can believe that god has always existed.

Again, saying "your angels" doesn't apply since I never argued for Christianity.

Anyway, this will end with an agree to disagree type thing. Just food for thought I suppose...
 
Also, why hasn't anyone mentioned dinosaurs in all of this?
 
Czvosec said:
Also, why hasn't anyone mentioned dinosaurs in all of this?
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Eh, millions of years don't exist duh. Dinosaurs lived as the same time as humans. We used to ride those fuckers as pets. The fossil records are just the devil's way of lying to us!
 
Czvosec said:
This thread seems to have run its course...

On the topic of Collins though, am I the only one who finds it kind of screwed up that he was engaged to some girl for 8 years? He, in a way, held this woman hostage for a significant portion of her life, knowing full well that things were never going to work out. She was fully expecting to settle down, start a family, and have kids, and he waited 8 years to break it off despite knowing he was gay the whole time.

I don't know, seems a little messed up to me...
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I think he said he didn't know he was gay until a year ago... So he didn't necessarily drag her along knowingly.
 
metalman213 said:
Einstein was a deist, he believed in a creator not a personal god.

I can give a couple more who come to mind:
Francis Collins (Christian, modern, human genome project), C.S. Lewis (Christian, modern, Oxford), and Arno Penzias (Jewish, nobel prize winner for providing evidence for big bang theory)

Interestingly enough, Penzias said "The best data we have [concerning the Big Bang] are exactly what I would have predicted, had I nothing to go on but the five books of Moses, the Psalms, the bible as a whole."
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"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind


He was decidedly agnostic in the literal definition. As in we know way to little to speculate on such things. That's pretty much what all "athiests" believe. Most if not all athiests agree that god is a possibility, but a possibility with no evidence to support it and therefore as scientifically valid as an invisible pink unicorn.

We know it exists because we cannot see it.
We know it is pink because of our faith.


With regard to your questions of X, the answer most athiests give is in one form or another "We don't know, but we have some ideas." Those ideas may be totally wrong (they often are), but there is no reason to make the Christian god the null hypothesis in how the universe was created. None whatsoever.
 
MattyFos. said:
I think he said he didn't know he was gay until a year ago... So he didn't necessarily drag her along knowingly.
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No he said he's always known. He said something along the lines of it was like knowing the sky is blue, but trying to make yourself believe it's red.

And yes, I do believe it's fucked up he lead that chick on. She wasted years with Collins under false pretenses. I don't have any issues with gay people, but I think the practice of having a "beard" is pretty fucked up and selfish.
 
I've always thought that Broussard was pretty "flamboyant". Anyways, this little gem makes me think that he's just repressing what the rest of the world sees about him.

Men who are attracted to other men can still be considered Christian if -- and only if -- they constantly try to counteract the same-sex attraction, Broussard said.
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I can't believe his career is going to survive this, he's a hack in the first place and now he's a super hack.
 
RonHarperFan said:
I've always thought that Broussard was pretty "flamboyant". Anyways, this little gem makes me think that he's just repressing what the rest of the world sees about him.

I can't believe his career is going to survive this, he's a hack in the first place and now he's a super hack.
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He has the "religous freedoms" BS in his corner and he knows it. He not only is saying being Gay is wrong, hes going above & beyond.
 
bigfoot5415 said:
He has the "religous freedoms" BS in his corner and he knows it. He not only is saying being Gay is wrong, hes going above & beyond.
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Religious freedom means freedom to practice whatever religion you please, not freedom to say derogatory things on behalf of your employer on national television or on the internet. ESPN could absolutely fire him for this and, while people would certainly bitch about it, they'd be entirely in the right to do so. Any time anyone says anything on television on ESPN, it can affect the company's reputation and cause viewers to stop watching. If you say something that may alienate a portion of the company's audience or make the company look bad, they can fire you for it and you wouldn't have much recourse. I'm not saying they could or should fire him for what he said, but simply that they very easily could and would be entitled to should they desire it.

Really, though, Broussard should have been fired a long time ago, and not for his bigoted religious beliefs.
 
supergoat52 said:
"It was, of course, a lie what you read about my religious convictions, a lie which is being systematically repeated. I do not believe in a personal God and I have never denied this but have expressed it clearly. If something is in me which can be called religious then it is the unbounded admiration for the structure of the world so far as our science can reveal it."
-- Albert Einstein, 1954, from Albert Einstein: The Human Side, edited by Helen Dukas and Banesh Hoffman, Princeton University Press

"The word god is for me nothing more than the expression and product of human weaknesses, the Bible a collection of honourable, but still primitive legends which are nevertheless pretty childish. No interpretation no matter how subtle can (for me) change this."
-- Albert Einstein, in a letter responding to philosopher Eric Gutkind


He was decidedly agnostic in the literal definition. As in we know way to little to speculate on such things. That's pretty much what all "athiests" believe. Most if not all athiests agree that god is a possibility, but a possibility with no evidence to support it and therefore as scientifically valid as an invisible pink unicorn.

We know it exists because we cannot see it.
We know it is pink because of our faith.


With regard to your questions of X, the answer most athiests give is in one form or another "We don't know, but we have some ideas." Those ideas may be totally wrong (they often are), but there is no reason to make the Christian god the null hypothesis in how the universe was created. None whatsoever.
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Einstein was a diest, not a christian but not an atheist. Show me where I argued for Christianity. I didnt. Just in some sort of creator.
 
I'm gonna stick up for metalman. You guys are giving him a bad rap. Not sure I understand the issue with the arguments he's making here.
 
bigfoot5415 said:
He has the "religous freedoms" BS in his corner and he knows it. He not only is saying being Gay is wrong, hes going above & beyond.
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He's saying for a "Christian" actively practicing homosexuality is wrong. To continue to practice homosexuality is putting yourself in opposition to God.

To those on the outside it may sound harsh. But that doesnt make it any less true. You cant just do what you want to do and call yourself a follower of Christ. As a follower of Christ, Jason doesnt have to worry about how Chris Broussard feels about his lifestyle. He has to worry about how Christ and God feel about his lifestyle and how they feel has been documented for all (who chose to)...to see.
 
jay_em said:
He's saying for a "Christian" actively practicing homosexuality is wrong. To continue to practice homosexuality is putting yourself in opposition to God.

To those on the outside it may sound harsh. But that doesnt make it any less true. You cant just do what you want to do and call yourself a follower of Christ. As a follower of Christ, Jason doesnt have to worry about how Chris Broussard feels about his lifestyle. He has to worry about how Christ and God feel about his lifestyle and how they feel has been documented for all (who chose to)...to see.
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So you're saying that Christ has indeed been documented commenting on this issue?

Cool, show it to me.
 
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