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So Long, Mo Gotti Williams

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It's September, that talk is a bit premature.

??? HOW ???

They have an injury prone PG who, at the very least, needs to be rested as much as possible. And his backup is a 5'7" late 2nd round pick??

I guess we will just need to slide our SG to the 1. OH WAIT. WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THEM EITHER.

Whoever says JR doesn't have leverage needs to take a gander at the depth chart for the backcourt.
 
Letting Delly go is looking more problematic by the day.

We just don't operate in a financial universe where we can pay a backup PG $9 million a year.

The Cavs need to recoup dollars where they can and Delly was just the odd man out from a tax perspective.

With a title in tow, you need to rely on guys chasing rings these next two years to fill the cracks and PG seems like a slot where you can get a really cheap vet who is serviceable.

It's a gamble for sure but our payroll is out of control and it is only going to get worse when LeBron inks his absurd extension.
 
The Delly talk has been tiresome. For almost a decade here, the main talk has been "just win one and we don't care what happens next."

Guess what? We finally won one and now Danny boy wants to save himself a little bit after paying the price year after year. Time to finally follow up on that talk, friends. Least we could do is wait at least half a season to bitch about that nagging backup floor general problem. Griffin can and will bail us out once again.


EDIT: Woke up and thought it's 2012. Holy dumbass shit.
 
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??? HOW ???

They have an injury prone PG who, at the very least, needs to be rested as much as possible. And his backup is a 5'7" late 2nd round pick??

I guess we will just need to slide our SG to the 1. OH WAIT. WE DON'T HAVE ONE OF THEM EITHER.

Whoever says JR doesn't have leverage needs to take a gander at the depth chart for the backcourt.
The sky is not falling, we are still the defending champs.

We have no clue what Felder can or can not do yet, where you are drafted or undrafted in Delly's case is irrelevant. If you can ball, you can ball no way around it.

We have an open roster spot to replace Mo, also keep in mind they are grooming McRae like a point guard too. We tried to convert Shump back to PG in his first year here, that was obviously a failed experiment but we're going to give it a go with McRae and see what happens.

Delly wasn't great in the post season when it counts, if you actually look at it.

Let's also not forget we have the best PG in the game... LeBron "won one for the land" James!
 
The Delly talk has been tiresome. For almost a decade here, the main talk has been "just win one and we don't care what happens next."

Guess what? We finally won one and now Danny boy wants to save himself a little bit after paying the price year after year. Time to finally follow up on that talk, friends. Least we could do is wait at least half a season to bitch about that nagging backup floor general problem. Griffin can and will bail us out once again.


EDIT: Woke up and thought it's 2012. Holy dumbass shit.


We just don't operate in a financial universe where we can pay a backup PG $9 million a year.

The Cavs need to recoup dollars where they can and Delly was just the odd man out from a tax perspective.

With a title in tow, you need to rely on guys chasing rings these next two years to fill the cracks and PG seems like a slot where you can get a really cheap vet who is serviceable.

It's a gamble for sure but our payroll is out of control and it is only going to get worse when LeBron inks his absurd extension.

Yea, cause Dan isn't going to see a single cent of increased revenue or franchise value after winning a title :chuckle::chuckle:

Demand for tickets is going to go up. Demand for merch is going to go up. People watching the games on FSO is going to go up, thus the demand to advertise on FSO is going to go up. Meaning they'll be charging more for all of those things. Dan is going to make a lot of money off of this title. Yea, he could have afforded it in this "financial universe."
 
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Yea, cause Dan isn't going to see a single cent of increased revenue or franchise value after winning a title :chuckle::chuckle:

Demand for tickets is going to go up. Demand for merch is going to go up. People watching the games on FSO is going to go up, thus the demand to advertise on FSO is going to go up. Meaning they'll be charging more for all of those things. Dan is going to make a lot of money off of this title. Yea, he could have afforded it in this "financial universe."

You'd be surprised at ticket demand. It just is not what you likely think it is.

I'm a season ticket holder. Have really good loudville seats (first 3 rows on the aisle, middle sections). There were probably 20-25 games last season I couldn't make where I couldn't even sell them for face value.

Is there crazy demand for finals tickets? Sure. Is there crazy demand for regular season tickets? Not really.

The Spurs have made a lot of similar decisions, letting players like (gasp, / backup PG) Joseph go. You can't just pay every guy on your roster market value when the time comes. With the tax system, there just isn't enough money.

The TV contract is a non starter. It is signed through 2022 and will be renegotiated when LeBron and probably 95% of this team are gone. The team really won't see the money they could have had the deal lapsed in the next year or two.

Will they see increased revenue? Sure but they'll also see increased expenses. The repeater tax is looming, as is LeBron'a sunset extension. We still owe a raise to JR, need to sign a PG and we may make smaller moves with some of our TPE assets. At some point the owner has to decide what the limit is, so I can't fault Dan. He's been (easily) the best owner in Cavs history and I would argue he's been the best owner in Cleveland sports history. He paid bill after bill to chase a title and finally got one. What he wants to do with his money after delivering it his business and he's earned the right to do it.
 
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I liked Delly as much as the next Cavs fan, but people freaking out over the Cavs not paying Delly $9 million a year need to take a xanax or something. The freak out was a little absurd back in July and even with Mo Williams retiring it's still absurd. Great guy, great teammate, great role player... Fuck, I know I'll miss him, but at the end of the day we're talking about a hustle player who has likely reached his ceiling. You can't keep everyone. Teams like the Bucks who pay $9 million a year to a role player is why they stay being the Bucks.
 
Kay Felder is going to have a great chance to develop. This is how the Spurs continue churn out talent. Find guys that are ready to play and give them an opportunity on a team where they won't be asked to do anything special besides play a specific role.


We need to give him some time. We have enough wing length to make up for his size. From what I saw in Summer League, he has legitimate NBA talent. Hopefully he can be a sparkplug off the bench and throw an entry pass to K Love. Ty Lue is a great guy to have coach him up as well, in my opinion.


Worst case scenario if he flames out or even just as insurance, we grab Chalmers or Cole. I do think Mo is better than all of them. But if his knee was really that bad, it's better we aren't counting on him anyways. Come finals time, Kyrie is going to be playing 40-44 minutes a game anyways, so we just need somebody to play 5-10 minutes. If Felder can be a sparkplug ala Nate Robinson and get you some buckets without turning the ball over ,bam, jackpot.

Plus, I'm super excited to watch Felder! It will add an element of interest to the regular season and he will get a lot of chances because I think the Cavs will be even more zeroed in on resting guys and peaking at the right time again this year.
 
Kay Felder is going to have a great chance to develop. This is how the Spurs continue churn out talent. Find guys that are ready to play and give them an opportunity on a team where they won't be asked to do anything special besides play a specific role.

Yep. IMO, the best part of keeping Mo was that he not only wouldn't stand in the way of Kay's development, he was clearly willing to help him. I had zero expectations for Mo on the floor.

What we need now is to see how Kay is going to develop. If he's ready to hit the league running, then we don't need to sign someone who's just going to bitch & moan about getting stuck behind a rook. If he looks ok but kind of shaky or limited then we may choose to feed him minutes early in the season while waiting on Mario Chalmers, a buy out, or a player we can acquire with our TPE.

Keep an eye on whether we offer any of the PGs we bring in during training camp a guaranteed contract. If we don't, it's a sign we're going to let the "long game" play out.

I have no expectations that McRae can play PG, but he may be able to defend some of them, and of course he can attack. Something to watch, anyway.
 
Fuck, I know I'll miss him, but at the end of the day we're talking about a hustle player who has likely reached his ceiling.

Based on what?

There's no question he has an athletic ceiling, but there are tons of examples of hardworking players who have improved other aspects of their game. For example, there is absolutely no reason to believe that Delly's three point shooting has reached its ceiling -- he's likely going to be improving on that for years to come. Then there's leadership, his floor game, mid-range shot....no reason to believe any of those have capped out either.

Delly is going to win at least one championship without the Cavs. Not because he can carry a team, but because smart, championship organizations lust after guys like him.
 
Based on what?

There's no question he has an athletic ceiling, but there are tons of examples of hardworking players who have improved other aspects of their game. For example, there is absolutely no reason to believe that Delly's three point shooting has reached its ceiling -- he's likely going to be improving on that for years to come. Then there's leadership, his floor game, mid-range shot....no reason to believe any of those have capped out either.

Delly is going to win at least one championship without the Cavs. Not because he can carry a team, but because smart, championship organizations lust after guys like him.

I agree Delly can (and should) continue to develop and improve - especially a smart player with a great ethic, but there are two (or more) sides to everything...

So to pull out some points from the other side:

- a guy who plays full out all the time like Delly does tends to gain an advantage during the regular season, that tends to cancel out in the playoffs when everyone else raises their effort level.

- there's got be some concern about whether Delly can hold up. He's said he plans to build a recovery room in the basement of his new house, and maybe that will make the difference, but he's broken down or worn down both of the last two seasons.

- and while this doesn't sound like Delly at all, there's always a possibility that now that he's cashed in, that he won't be driven the same way he was when playing for league minimum.

But whatever ... we're over the cap and couldn't keep Delly or Timo, and now we need to replace them as best we can and hope other players step-up and take advantage of the freed minutes.
 
I agree Delly can (and should) continue to develop and improve - especially a smart player with a great ethic, but there are two (or more) sides to everything...

So to pull out some points from the other side:

- a guy who plays full out all the time like Delly does tends to gain an advantage during the regular season, that tends to cancel out in the playoffs when everyone else raises their effort level.

- there's got be some concern about whether Delly can hold up. He's said he plans to build a recovery room in the basement of his new house, and maybe that will make the difference, but he's broken down or worn down both of the last two seasons.

- and while this doesn't sound like Delly at all, there's always a possibility that now that he's cashed in, that he won't be driven the same way he was when playing for league minimum.

But whatever ... we're over the cap and couldn't keep Delly or Timo, and now we need to replace them as best we can and hope other players step-up and take advantage of the freed minutes.

I don't disagree with that. I was disagreeing only with the statement that Delly "has likely reached his ceiling".
 

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