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So Long, Mo Gotti Williams

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Omar The Horse said:
Why don't they just waive him?
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I just looked into this and the explanation seems to be that the Cavs want to settle with Mo for less than the full $2.2M he's owed for the upcoming season. If they waive him and no one picks him up (he "clears waivers," which seems likely now, especially with the surgery), I think the Cavs then have to pay his full $2.2M salary.

If the Cavs can agree to a buyout with Mo (which Mo might not agree to do), then they can both pay him less money than the $2.2M AND also get the roster spot freed up for another player.

Looks like Mo is playing chicken here. As in, "How bad do you want that open roster spot? Is it worth a $2.2M buyout to you?"
 
The Nets, Nuggets, Wolves, 76ers, Suns and Jazz haven't reached the salary cap floor and you're telling me not a single one of them is willing to take on guaranteed salary, especially if we include some kind of asset? I find that very hard to believe.
 
One of the worst defensive players to ever play the game
 
Change of Pace said:
The Nets, Nuggets, Wolves, 76ers, Suns and Jazz haven't reached the salary cap floor and you're telling me not a single one of them is willing to take on guaranteed salary, especially if we include some kind of asset? I find that very hard to believe.
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why would you include an asset though? you rather just pay the 2.2m and waive him.
I think.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
why would you include an asset though? you rather just pay the 2.2m and waive him.
I think.
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LeShaq said:
I just looked into this and the explanation seems to be that the Cavs want to settle with Mo for less than the full $2.2M he's owed for the upcoming season.
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I assume the Cavs aren't waiving him because, assuming no one claims him (and no one will), the Cavs would have to pay his full $2.2M salary and the Cavs luxury tax would greatly compound that figure. Waiving a player doesn't take him off the books, whereas trading him would. Waiving him would give the Cavs a roster spot, though.

It's ironic, sort-of, that the Felder/Mo thing is also related. Buying the Felder draft pick for $2.4M means that the Cavs can't trade Mo to another team while sending out $2.2M to pay Mo's entire salary (or sending out his full salary plus $500K or whatever). Unfortunately, teams are only allowed to send out a collective total of $3.5M as part of trades during the entire season.

So, pawning him off on another team isn't going to possible without some kind of sweetener.
 
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Sir'Dom Pointer said:
why would you include an asset though? you rather just pay the 2.2m and waive him.
I think.
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You include the asset so people are willing to help you facilitate gettin this dude not only off our team to free up a roster spot but also to free up his money so we aren't as far into the tax, to possibly give JR a couple more mil to get him to sign.

It's all connected.
 
Love the re-naming of the thread by @Simon -- well done.

More news from DMac:


Dave McMenamin ESPN Staff Writer

Mo Williams told ESPN on Wednesday evening that the procedure he had done today was removal of bone spurs from the tib/fib joint of his left leg.


This is right beside the knee joint, I think. The tibia and fibula bones actually meet twice, once by/at the knee and once near the ankle, I think.

Given Mo's recent issues, I would imagine this was the joint by the knee.

In the pic below, "A" is up near the knee.


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The resolution should be as swift as it is simple: untag him in all of LeBron's pics and threaten to withhold his ring until he decides to "play ball" (as in do everything that involves him not playing ball.)
 
LeShaq said:
Love the re-naming of the thread by @Simon -- well done.

More news from DMac:


Dave McMenamin ESPN Staff Writer

Mo Williams told ESPN on Wednesday evening that the procedure he had done today was removal of bone spurs from the tib/fib joint of his left leg.


This is right beside the knee joint, I think. The tibia and fibula bones actually meet twice, once by/at the knee and once near the ankle, I think.

Given Mo's recent issues, I would imagine this was the joint by the knee.

In the pic below, "A" is up near the knee.


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It actually wasn't me, but, I'll take credit for it :chuckle:.
 
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wuck said:
I assume the Cavs aren't waiving him because, assuming no one claims him (and no one will), the Cavs would have to pay his full $2.2M salary and the Cavs luxury tax would greatly compound that figure. Waiving a player doesn't take him off the books, whereas trading him would. Waiving him would give the Cavs a roster spot, though.

It's ironic, sort-of, that the Felder/Mo thing is also related. Buying the Felder draft pick for $2.4M means that the Cavs can't trade Mo to another team while sending out $2.2M to pay Mo's entire salary (or sending out his full salary plus $500K or whatever). Unfortunately, teams are only allowed to send out a collective total of $3.5M as part of trades during the entire season.

So, pawning him off on another team isn't going to possible without some kind of sweetener.
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So they will have to pay the 2.2m plus the luxury tax?
I think the Cavs just tried to retire him since they figured out he wouldn't be playing any time this season with his injuries.(how did I figure that out?)
Can't believe he had a player option though, he kinda screwed the Cavs tbh and the Cavs need that roster spot and they also can't allow themselves to get rid of their assets that they really don't have.
Stupid situation, he should say thanks for the ring and retire.
 
Sir'Dom Pointer said:
So they will have to pay the 2.2m plus the luxury tax?
I think the Cavs just tried to retire him since they figured out he wouldn't be playing any time this season with his injuries.(how did I figure that out?
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Larry Coon covers retirement here: http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q63

Here's a little bit from that site:
  • Any money paid to a player is included in team salary, even if the player is no longer playing or has retired.

  • There is one exception whereby a player can continue to receive his salary, but the salary is excluded from team salary. This is when a player suffers a career-ending injury or illness. The team must waive the player, and can apply for this salary exclusion following a waiting period. The waiting period depends on the number games in which the player played in the season:
  • If the player played fewer than 10 in a season, the team can apply 60 days after his last game, or the one-year anniversary of his last game in the previous season, whichever is later. If the injury exclusion is granted, the player's salary is removed from the team salary immediately.

  • If a player retires, even for medical reasons, his team does not receive a salary cap exception to acquire a replacement player.
When Garnett retired, it was reported that the Wolves would waive him, and he would get his full salary for 2016-2017. I believe the Spurs waived Tim Duncan and stretched his remaining salary over a few years. I'm not saying Mo is in that stratosphere, but waiving a retiring player can mean paying his full salary (now or over some time). A buyout/waiver would be cheaper. A trade to another team would be cheapest but the Cavs would have to send an asset.
 
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Just rip the damn band-aid off already....How is this still a thing? Good riddance.

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wuck said:
It's ironic, sort-of, that the Felder/Mo thing is also related. Buying the Felder draft pick for $2.4M means that the Cavs can't trade Mo to another team while sending out $2.2M to pay Mo's entire salary (or sending out his full salary plus $500K or whatever). Unfortunately, teams are only allowed to send out a collective total of $3.5M as part of trades during the entire season.

So, pawning him off on another team isn't going to possible without some kind of sweetener.
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Actually, the Cavs executed the Felder deal in June before the start of the NBA year on July 1st. However, they have sent out $200k in the Delly s+t and a still unreported amount in dumping Kaun, which presumably was at least $1.3m (Kaun's salary), so it's unlikely the Cavs still have enough to spend to cover Mo's $2.2m in a salary dump.

Two bad contracts given out by Griffin last summer, by the way.

Trouble is the Cavs don't own a second round pick till 2019, so they don't have much to use as a sweetener.
 
Heard a story that the Cavs didn't hear from Mo Williams about his retirement until the morning of media day/first practice.

Also heard that the players - perhaps a little beefed? - gathered up all of Mo's stuff in a garbage bag took it outside and burned it.

True Viking Funeral. LOL
 
Chris Parker said:
Heard a story that the Cavs didn't hear from Mo Williams about his retirement until the morning of media day/first practice.

Also heard that the players - perhaps a little beefed? - gathered up all of Mo's stuff in a garbage bag took it outside and burned it.

True Viking Funeral. LOL
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Should we trust the stories?

I'd love to
 
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