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So you care
Haha I actually do not care what AZ_ thinks. I will say what I think regardless of what anyone else thinks
So you care
Haha I actually do not care what AZ_ thinks. I will say what I think regardless of what anyone else thinks
Haha I actually do not care what AZ_ thinks. I will say what I think regardless of what anyone else thinks
I advocate for Naquin because he is on the 40 man roster
and I know he has issues to and I said Naquin has to work on them, but if you put Zimmer up into the pros right now, his strikeout rate will be above Naquins plus a worse batting average than Naquin would produce
so id rather go with Naquin who has more experience in the pros, who has the same OBP% and a better contact rate. Zimmers SO rate is at 27% this season in minors so it will end up 30%+ in the pros. If you don't like my take on things, then I could care less. I believe what I believe and could careless what ya think anymore.
Posting what you think is a good thing.
Refusing to change your viewpoint when confronted with new information is a bad thing.
I strive to be a good thing in life.
What information has been given to change my opinion? I mean honestly I have seen nothing that merits actually worth changing my opinion for. Show me an actual reason other than potential to move Zimmer up this season with his current numbers and abilities. Show to me why I am wrong with breaking down his swing with videos and stuff, not just say my logic is wrong. That's all @AZ_ does, he doesn't show me why and until then I am keeping my opinion. I will listen if you show why I am wrong.
You set the benchmark at .270, so when you came on here to gloat a week and a half into the season that he was at .230, you got served within 48 hours when he raised his average up to .266.
As if the take itself wasn't bad enough, you've dug your heels in.
Moving to excuses like the 40-man spot, which is a clear non-issue and always will be a non-issue.
Then you moved on to contact rate, despite backing Tyler Naquin as the better player in spite of his horrendous rate.
No worries, just cover it up by spouting some bullshit about what Zimmer's K-rate would be if he were in the bigs. Which is not only stupid, but has no empirical data to suggest it's true.
Lets all circle back around to the fact I'm not even advocating for Zimmer to be brought up right now. Your confounding logic and holes you've dug for yourself on the issue have been foolish, and that's all I've been pointing out thus far.
Do you only live to find fault with anything I say? You know you are one of the main reasons why no new people post in here cause if they have a take different than yours or have an opinion that isn't too what you feel is right you just tear it apart?
At the end of the day all I believe is Zimmer isn't ready and shouldn't be called up this season. If you don't agree then that's fine with me. This is a sports forum, we have different opinions and are allowed to express them, I go by what I believe and that's that. At the end of the day let's allow Zimmer to prove if I am wrong or right so leave it at that.
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Sorry your take was terrible, be less sensitive about it.
If you can parade around here calling me out in your tagline, tagging me constantly in your posts and providing nothing short of terrible analysis on this point about Zimmer...you're just going to have to deal with my responses with regards to how poor your logic is to draw these conclusions.
Lastly, if you want to "wait and see," don't come in hot with a two-week sample of Zimmer's batting average and clapping at @D-Wreck about how you were right.
Take your own medicine.
Naquin has a career 20% SO rate in the minors with a batting avg of .289 and an OBP% of .361, but lacks the power and some of the plate discipline that Zimmer has
Let me stop you right here.
Minor league numbers are not indicative of Major League numbers, most especially when in comparison to a different player at a different level at (possibly) different ages and without factoring in any other factors like change in swing, injury, etc.
Using them to draw a false conclusions amounts to nothing. The talent level, swing, approach and overall game is different between the two players and the marginal differences in their minor league strikeout rate or OBP from two years ago don't factor in at all when big league teams are making this type of decision.
The only thing that will matter is need and opportunity.
If the Indians need a boost in outfield in the present or immediate future, they'll give Zimmer a shot.
They're not going to hold him back because of the marginal difference in strikeout rate accumulated throughout his minor league at-bats.
That's nonsense.