2017 Minor League Thread

[DJTJ]

You didn't even read all of my points just looked at one. You need to read my whole post to see my meaning.

You tell me I cannot go by my gut and then if I say stats you say they are nonsensical as well, so anything and everything I type is nonsensical to you. So it doesn't matter what I say or do unless I conform to your opinion

@Real Deal @Out of the Rafters at the Q since you comment on this thread what do you think about that post and the point I am making?

You didn't tag me, but AZ nails it. Your complaints about Zimmer contradict your support for Naquin.

just like your lazy Yandy Diaz take about hitting 280, your Zimmer take is hot and lazy like a chubby girl with a banging face.

 

[sportscoach]

You didn't tag me, but AZ nails it. Your complaints about Zimmer contradict your support for Naquin.

just like your lazy Yandy Diaz take about hitting 280, your Zimmer take is hot and lazy like a chubby girl with a banging face.

I have Naquin over Zimmer because of experience and contact rate and it does kind of say that.

What do you think @D-Wreck?

 

[Derek]

You didn't even read all of my points just looked at one. You need to read my whole post to see my meaning.

You tell me I cannot go by my gut and then if I say stats you say they are nonsensical as well, so anything and everything I type is nonsensical to you. So it doesn't matter what I say or do unless I conform to your opinion

@Real Deal @Out of the Rafters at the Q since you comment on this thread what do you think about that post and the point I am making?

I'm willing to bet that @AZ_ did read your entire post. He just ended the quote there to help make his point.

What he and I are both trying to say is that you're drawing false correlations between minor league numbers and major league production.

Yes, Naquin is owning AAA pitching right now to a much greater extent than Zimmer is, but that doesn't mean that Zimmer wouldn't do better against major league pitching. There is a long list of guys who destroyed AAA pitching, and never figured it out in the majors. So, just because somebody has superior AAA numbers doesn't mean they're more prepared to help the big league club. Naquin had his shot in the majors, and it revealed major holes in his game that will take time to correct. Zimmer's K% is on the high end, but he's shown no such holes.

A bit of an extreme example, but one that we will all recognize is Frankie Lindor. In each of his first two major league seasons he posted a higher OPS than he did during any minor league season. Now, I don't believe Zimmer is going to out hit his minor league numbers right from the start like Lindor did, but it's just another example of how those minor league numbers don't really mean much.

Nobody is saying that they think Zimmer should be called up right now, nor are we saying for sure that he's ready. I'm just saying that he's more than likely next in line for an opportunity in the outfield, and it would hardly be a mistake to call him up at some point this summer. We haven't rushed him, he played a full season in Lynchburg, another in Akron, and will likely be around 80-90 games in AAA by the time he'd be considered for a call up.

 

[sportscoach]

I'm willing to bet that @AZ_ did read your entire post. He just ended the quote there to help make his point.

What he and I are both trying to say is that you're drawing false correlations between minor league numbers and major league production.

Yes, Naquin is owning AAA pitching right now to a much greater extent than Zimmer is, but that doesn't mean that Zimmer wouldn't do better against major league pitching. There is a long list of guys who destroyed AAA pitching, and never figured it out in the majors. So, just because somebody has superior AAA numbers doesn't mean they're more prepared to help the big league club. Naquin had his shot in the majors, and it revealed major holes in his game that will take time to correct. Zimmer's K% is on the high end, but he's shown no such holes.

A bit of an extreme example, but one that we will all recognize is Frankie Lindor. In each of his first two major league seasons he posted a higher OPS than he did during any minor league season. Now, I don't believe Zimmer is going to out hit his minor league numbers right from the start like Lindor did, but it's just another example of how those minor league numbers don't really mean much.

Nobody is saying that they think Zimmer should be called up right now, nor are we saying for sure that he's ready. I'm just saying that he's more than likely next in line for an opportunity in the outfield, and it would hardly be a mistake to call him up at some point this summer. We haven't rushed him, he played a full season in Lynchburg, another in Akron, and will likely be around 80-90 games in AAA by the time he'd be considered for a call up.

I understand that AAA numbers mean very little at the end of the day, I was just saying what each of them where doing and using it to explain with numbers my reasoning. I guess it doesn't matter how I say something, but I really do feel like Zimmer isn't ready for a call up this season. I do think he needs one more time to work on things. I will agree to disagree, but I guess at the end of the day Naquin right now is the guy in my mind who should be called up first when/if we need someone to call up. That is my gut/hunch/thinking. So I will leave it at that

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

You didn't even read all of my points just looked at one. You need to read my whole post to see my meaning.

You tell me I cannot go by my gut and then if I say stats you say they are nonsensical as well, so anything and everything I type is nonsensical to you. So it doesn't matter what I say or do unless I conform to your opinion. I really do not care if people agree with my opinion and it's good if people, but it feels like you literally go out of the way to tear my opinion apart, that's what is making me mad

@Real Deal @Out of the Rafters at the Q since you comment on this thread what do you think about that post and the point I am making?

I think you're refusing to acknowledge what b00bie is telling you.

We've seen the deficiencies Naquin has at the plate--they're exploitable and they're the reason he's in the minors while we're putting Lonnie in CF.

We haven't seen those same deficiencies in Zimmer's swing. Let's not even mention everything else Zimmer brings to the table.

I don't think either of them is the solution in CF this year--but please don't tell me why Naquin should be in the MLB this year over Zimmer because of strikout rates or anything silly like that. Zimmer remade his swing and looks ready to hit at any level. Naquin has shown that he cannot hit fastballs above the belt, had an offseason to work on it, and still can't do it.

I don't think either is the answer today. Zimmer looks like he'll eventually be the answer. I no longer think Naquin is a viable option at the major league level.

 

[Out of the Rafters at the Q]

I understand that AAA numbers mean very little at the end of the day, I was just saying what each of them where doing and using it to explain with numbers my reasoning. I guess it doesn't matter how I say something, but I really do feel like Zimmer isn't ready for a call up this season. I do think he needs one more time to work on things. I will agree to disagree, but I guess at the end of the day Naquin right now is the guy in my mind who should be called up first when/if we need someone to call up. That is my gut/hunch/thinking. So I will leave it at that

Why do you think Naquin will be able to hit major league pitching?

Pitchers at the MLB level will continue to exploit the areas of his swing that he struggled with on the back end of last year, and the beginning of this one.

 

[sportscoach]

Why do you think Naquin will be able to hit major league pitching?

Pitchers at the MLB level will continue to exploit the areas of his swing that he struggled with on the back end of last year, and the beginning of this one.

Honestly though i feel if we bring up Zimmer this season he will do worse than Naquin since he doesn't have a strong contact rate. Naquin has a hole, but can Zimmer actually improve himself right now enough to where he will be better than Naquin this season? I am doubting that right now.

@AZ_ @D-Wreck can you explain to me honestly why Zimmer has such a high strike out rate when he has a nice swing and seems to be able to take walks?

 

[Derek]

Honestly though i feel if we bring up Zimmer this season he will do worse than Naquin since he doesn't have a strong contact rate. Naquin has a hole, but can Zimmer actually improve himself right now enough to where he will be better than Naquin this season? I am doubting that right now.

@AZ_ @D-Wreck can you explain to me honestly why Zimmer has such a high strike out rate when he has a nice swing and seems to be able to take walks?

While Zimmer does swing and miss more than you'd like, his high K rate will always be high just because he's a patient hitter. He's willing to work deep into count, you said it yourself, he takes a lot of walks. Being deep in a count sets you up to strike out more often than if you get aggressive early in counts.

I'd honestly be really interested to see Zimmer's contact%, because I'll bet it's not as ugly as his K%.

 

[AZ_]

Honestly though i feel if we bring up Zimmer this season he will do worse than Naquin since he doesn't have a strong contact rate. Naquin has a hole, but can Zimmer actually improve himself right now enough to where he will be better than Naquin this season? I am doubting that right now.

@AZ_ @D-Wreck can you explain to me honestly why Zimmer has such a high strike out rate when he has a nice swing and seems to be able to take walks?

Minor league numbers means so little that you automatically assume Zimmer will be worse at it.

That's just not how it works.

Contact rate is not the sole barometer, or likely any barometer precluding him from being called up.


Give.it.up.

 

[Derek]

Triston McKenzie scuffled a bit yesterday giving up 4 ER on 4 H and 4 BB in 3.2 IP

He's pitched well until this point, but it is also important to remember that he won't turn 20 until midseason, and is already pitching in advanced A.

 

[sportscoach]

Minor league numbers means so little that you automatically assume Zimmer will be worse at it.

That's just not how it works.

Contact rate is not the sole barometer, or likely any barometer precluding him from being called up.


Give.it.up.

Dude that's why I don't respect anything you say. You prefer to just bash rather than actually answer a simple question. What is it that is causing the ton of strikeouts Zimmer even though he has a good swing, that's all ya had to talk about. I mean honestly if I ask a question then answer it rather than just keep going on about it.

 

[AZ_]

Dude that's why I don't respect anything you say. You prefer to just bash rather than actually answer a simple question. What is it that is causing the ton of strikeouts Zimmer even though he has a good swing, that's all ya had to talk about. I mean honestly if I ask a question then answer it rather than just keep going on about it.

I'm not here to answer your questions. You're asking why a guy who works counts strikes out and walks.

Fuck your respect.


Zimmer's contact rate isn't precluding him from being called up. Opportunity for at-bats is.

 

[sportscoach]

I'm not here to answer your questions. You're asking why a guy who works counts strikes out and walks.

Fuck your respect.


Zimmer's contact rate isn't precluding him from being called up. Opportunity for at-bats is.

Aka I asked to explain why you think his SO rate is as high as it is, that was all. The other stuff I said is irrelevant right now.

 

[Kovah]

 

[Derek]

Zimmer hitting .271 now, time to call him up @sportscoach