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col63onel said:
Making sure I understand the plot of Covenant
David was created by Weyland. He also hates Weyland because he's a pussy. Because Weyland made such a big stink about being a creator, David becomes obsessed with who created Weyland. He finds out it's the engineers, so he goes to their homeworld and kills them all with the black goo bombs. He also becomes obsessed with creating the "perfect being", which takes him decades to do. Eventually, he decided the Xenomorph is the "perfect being", so he spends all his time and energy trying to create it.
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Think so but given the size of the beings it wasn't the homeworld just another seed planet
 
col63onel said:
My Alien rankings:

Alien and Aliens - Really good, iconic and groundbreaking sci-fi films

AvP - Crap, but fun and good for a chuckle

Every other Alien film - Crap
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You are ok with AVP but hate Alien Resurrection ? Come on !!! I thought they were both good pop-corn flicks. Plus Resurrection has the awesome underwater chase scene!!!
 
brownindian said:
You are ok with AVP but hate Alien Resurrection ? Come on !!! I thought they were both good pop-corn flicks. Plus Resurrection has the awesome underwater chase scene!!!
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I guess I misspoke. I never actually saw the 4th one.

Last year I realized I had only seen the 2 AvP and no Alien movies (I did see the Predator movies and loved them). I decided to binge all 4 in one day. Obviously, the 1st 2 were great. 3 was such a shit show, and the reviews for 4 were bad, so I skipped it, and kinda lumped it with 3.
 
Honestly, I'd probably put Alien 3 above Prometheus. Plus, it has the distinction of being David Fincher's first film. I thought the prison setting was unique, and I like that they explored that the alien's biology changes when it uses a different creature as a host.
 
col63onel said:
I guess I misspoke. I never actually saw the 4th one.

Last year I realized I had only seen the 2 AvP and no Alien movies (I did see the Predator movies and loved them). I decided to binge all 4 in one day. Obviously, the 1st 2 were great. 3 was such a shit show, and the reviews for 4 were bad, so I skipped it, and kinda lumped it with 3.
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i did see all 4 and while you are bound to have a different opinions this is my take.

alien 1 and 3 have more in common while Alien 2 and 4 are more in common.

Alien is just awesome and you know it. 3 is a shit show that takes too long to build up, but the acting levels are really good. The script for that movie is almost going to make it impossible for it to be a mainstream hit.

Alien Resurrection - It is cheesy, very very cheesy. But if you are in the mood for a sci-fi flick that does not take itself too seriously you will enjoy the movie. If this was a stand alone movie where the aliens were not related to the Ridley Scott Aliens it may have been better received, but unfortunately with the tone for those 3 movies being way darker and this one being part-hero BS and part-cheesy, the core alien fans will surely hate it.

This film does have a few enjoyable scenes and overall is not a terrible movie (compared to some of the alien movies that came in the past few years like Skyline, Battlefield Earth CowboysVs Aliens, Battleship etc this is actually pretty good.)
 
Jack Brickman said:
Honestly, I'd probably put Alien 3 above Prometheus. Plus, it has the distinction of being David Fincher's first film. I thought the prison setting was unique, and I like that they explored that the alien's biology changes when it uses a different creature as a host.
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I dont want to argue with you since we would be arguing opinions and that imo is silly, but consider this.

1. David Fincher has distanced himself from the Alien 3 movie cos of the amount of interference from Studio execs. And he still does to today.

2. The setting for prison while cool, was actually supposed to be a monastery in the earlier script. Hence the religious tones and the lack of weapons.

3. Talking of script, the original script was supposed to have Hicks and Newt. They killed away fan favorites. Cameron called it a slap in his face.

Promethheus i felt had a problem and the problem was that it was incomplete. You left the theater feeling cheated (Those 2 dumb scientists in the cave doing stupid things is another topic). I was never bored watching Prometheus. Alien 3 took way too long to build up and the first half was way too much of setting up and the end product was not that amazing. I am sure if I had read it as a book, it would have translated much higher. Also the CGI in Alien 3 was not bad. You could spot it and it stuck out pretty sore (not the puppetry but the CGI).
 
brownindian said:
I dont want to argue with you since we would be arguing opinions and that imo is silly, but consider this.

1. David Fincher has distanced himself from the Alien 3 movie cos of the amount of interference from Studio execs. And he still does to today.

2. The setting for prison while cool, was actually supposed to be a monastery in the earlier script. Hence the religious tones and the lack of weapons.

3. Talking of script, the original script was supposed to have Hicks and Newt. They killed away fan favorites. Cameron called it a slap in his face.

Promethheus i felt had a problem and the problem was that it was incomplete. You left the theater feeling cheated (Those 2 dumb scientists in the cave doing stupid things is another topic). I was never bored watching Prometheus. Alien 3 took way too long to build up and the first half was way too much of setting up and the end product was not that amazing. I am sure if I had read it as a book, it would have translated much higher. Also the CGI in Alien 3 was not bad. You could spot it and it stuck out pretty sore (not the puppetry but the CGI).
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I'm not trying to argue it's a masterpiece or anything. I just think that, if you told me I had to watch either Alien 3 or Prometheus, I'd probably pick Alien 3.
 
col63onel said:
Making sure I understand the plot of Covenant
David was created by Weyland. He also hates Weyland because he's a pussy. Because Weyland made such a big stink about being a creator, David becomes obsessed with who created Weyland. He finds out it's the engineers, so he goes to their homeworld and kills them all with the black goo bombs. He also becomes obsessed with creating the "perfect being", which takes him decades to do. Eventually, he decided the Xenomorph is the "perfect being", so he spends all his time and energy trying to create it.
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Okay so...

David was created by Weyland, yes; but that's not why he hates Weyland.

David hates Weyland because Weyland HATES David. He's hated him from the start. The opening scene demonstrates David putting to Weyland the conundrum of him being created by Weyland, being immortal, and Weyland's own mortality being the reason for his being. Rather than Weyland explaining to David that we create children to live forever; Weyland shows David that he is nothing more than a servant and that Man is above Machine - thus, no matter what, Weyland is above David, regardless of ability, lifespan, or what have you.

Combining this with Prometheus; you come to understand that David has no real allegiance to Weyland, and vice versa -- both envy the other, for different reasons, and both have moments of hatred towards the other.

David becomes obsessed with not only creation but destruction; the process of life and death, the driving force of Weyland's life, and that of many others. David feels alone in the universe, alone in his "perfection," and is unable or unwilling to create an android thus -- he chooses to use the opportunity of the Engineer's weapon as a means of both creation and destruction, simultaneously.

Prometheus, over many different points in the film, touch on this -- the opening scene with Man from clay, Prometheus/Fire exposition, Shaw getting pregnant, Shaw getting what was analogous (deliberately) to an abortion, the question of religion, God, life and death... David really encompasses these themes.

He decides the Xenomorph is the perfect being after 10 years of experimentation, and likely some experimentation on Shaw (as we see towards the end). The final Xenomorph/Face-hugger is potentially one of many hybrids of Shaw and the Engineer's super-weapon... this would again, be similar to Prometheus in that David wanted Shaw to carry the alien spawn in her womb. She conceived the alien from her partner.

A lot of this is convoluted, but, the themes carry over across films; and given how we see Shaw totally dismantled, and how she's made to resemble HR Gieger's Necronomicon; one can surmise this is Ridley's intent.

With respect to "time and energy," keep in mind, David does not ever behave as though he's going to die, suggesting more than once that he is in fact immortal; so this would likely suggest that he feels that he has near-infinite time to spend thus, the expenditure of his energy is really not an issue.

Lastly, keep in mind, David is quite literally insane -- in a human way. He's psychotic, and this is what Walter is alluding to with the fact that David "disturbed people." People feared David back on Earth, in his dealings, whatever they may have been; so the later models were made to be machines - not thinking individuals, with creative capacity, dreams, emotions, etc...
 
Adam said:
Think so but given the size of the beings it wasn't the homeworld just another seed planet
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That's a great point... Although, the planet did have the "hookups" necessary to receive the Engineer/Space Jockey ship. They also recognized the ship, and the name of the planet was "Paradise;" so, one might imagine this is the Engineer home-world.

I agree though, the size difference is startling compared to Alien.
 
gourimoko said:
That's a great point... Although, the planet did have the "hookups" necessary to receive the Engineer/Space Jockey ship. They also recognized the ship, and the name of the planet was "Paradise;" so, one might imagine this is the Engineer home-world.

I agree though, the size difference is startling compared to Alien.
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Also thought they revered the ship too much and were caught by surprise by its content which the engineers you would assume would not be
 
gourimoko said:
Okay so...

David was created by Weyland, yes; but that's not why he hates Weyland.

David hates Weyland because Weyland HATES David. He's hated him from the start. The opening scene demonstrates David putting to Weyland the conundrum of him being created by Weyland, being immortal, and Weyland's own mortality being the reason for his being. Rather than Weyland explaining to David that we create children to live forever; Weyland shows David that he is nothing more than a servant and that Man is above Machine - thus, no matter what, Weyland is above David, regardless of ability, lifespan, or what have you.

Combining this with Prometheus; you come to understand that David has no real allegiance to Weyland, and vice versa -- both envy the other, for different reasons, and both have moments of hatred towards the other.

David becomes obsessed with not only creation but destruction; the process of life and death, the driving force of Weyland's life, and that of many others. David feels alone in the universe, alone in his "perfection," and is unable or unwilling to create an android thus -- he chooses to use the opportunity of the Engineer's weapon as a means of both creation and destruction, simultaneously.

Prometheus, over many different points in the film, touch on this -- the opening scene with Man from clay, Prometheus/Fire exposition, Shaw getting pregnant, Shaw getting what was analogous (deliberately) to an abortion, the question of religion, God, life and death... David really encompasses these themes.

He decides the Xenomorph is the perfect being after 10 years of experimentation, and likely some experimentation on Shaw (as we see towards the end). The final Xenomorph/Face-hugger is potentially one of many hybrids of Shaw and the Engineer's super-weapon... this would again, be similar to Prometheus in that David wanted Shaw to carry the alien spawn in her womb. She conceived the alien from her partner.

A lot of this is convoluted, but, the themes carry over across films; and given how we see Shaw totally dismantled, and how she's made to resemble HR Gieger's Necronomicon; one can surmise this is Ridley's intent.

With respect to "time and energy," keep in mind, David does not ever behave as though he's going to die, suggesting more than once that he is in fact immortal; so this would likely suggest that he feels that he has near-infinite time to spend thus, the expenditure of his energy is really not an issue.

Lastly, keep in mind, David is quite literally insane -- in a human way. He's psychotic, and this is what Walter is alluding to with the fact that David "disturbed people." People feared David back on Earth, in his dealings, whatever they may have been; so the later models were made to be machines - not thinking individuals, with creative capacity, dreams, emotions, etc...
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It really makes Prometheus a better film. As people mentioned it didn't have the payoff most wanted but in context of what will probably be a trilogy, it fits well.

David will become one of the great sci-fi characters. Fassbender plays him so perfectly. The measured, calm, vaguely seductive mass murderer.
 
King Stannis said:
It really makes Prometheus a better film. As people mentioned it didn't have the payoff most wanted but in context of what will probably be a trilogy, it fits well.

David will become one of the great sci-fi characters. Fassbender plays him so perfectly. The measured, calm, vaguely seductive mass murderer.
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I agree.

I liked the religious symbolism of Prometheus, which, I think largely gets lost on a less-religiously inclined society that might outright reject such topics as pretentious. There's so much build-up to the why... Why did the Engineers create us, and then finally, why did they want to destroy us.. What did we do? Which, the answer is littered throughout the movie.

Prometheus, over the other films, while not executed in the best way, has the most meaningful story to be told. Covenant, by comparison, while more enjoyable from a purely popcorn aspect, doesn't really attempt to tackle anywhere near as large a topic.
 
gourimoko said:
I agree.

I liked the religious symbolism of Prometheus, which, I think largely gets lost on a less-religiously inclined society that might outright reject such topics as pretentious. There's so much build-up to the why... Why did the Engineers create us, and then finally, why did they want to destroy us.. What did we do? Which, the answer is littered throughout the movie.

Prometheus, over the other films, while not executed in the best way, has the most meaningful story to be told. Covenant, by comparison, while more enjoyable from a purely popcorn aspect, doesn't really attempt to tackle anywhere near as large a topic.
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I really wish they had executed Prometheus better, because I really liked the concept. But, since it wasn't received so well, they kind of audibled, and went back to their roots.

I enjoyed Covenant, but I was also really interested in learning more about the Engineers, and all the stuff you mentioned.
 
Do we know why David wanted to kill the Engineers, or why the Engineers wanted to destroy Earth?
 
Chris said:
Do we know why David wanted to kill the Engineers, or why the Engineers wanted to destroy Earth?
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Apparently there was some supplemental material from Prometheus saying that Jesus was actually an engineer sent to better mankind, and we killed him, so they decided to kill us.
 
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