Star Wars 8: The Last Jedi

Jack Brickman said:

Most of them must have been dicks.

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I don't know. That guy that tried to attack Dooku before being shot by Jango seemed like a nice guy.

Poor Coleman Trebor.

King Stannis said:

I don't know. That guy that tried to attack Dooku before being shot by Jango seemed like a nice guy.

Poor Coleman Trebor.

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Aire to the colemans and trebor fortune...a death felt around the galaxy to mustard and mint fans everywhere

This is not good news IMHO:

Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Expect Snoke to remain a mystery, according to Vanity Fair’s David Kemp in a recent Reddit AMA.

I asked Rian Johnson about Snoke—Who/what is he?—and Rian was fairly up front in saying that Snoke is not a character he particularly gets into in TLJ. Hmmm.

That’s not the (potentially) bad part. Mark Hamill revealed to Vanity Fair that he had major issues with the film’s portrayal of Luke Skywalker.



To be fair, actors aren’t necessarily the best arbiters of where stories should go, and Hamill had only played Luke for about five minutes between the end of Return of the Jedi and the start of filming for The Last Jedi. But the fact he “fundamentally disagreed” with “every choice” made for Luke seems like a bad omen of the highest magnitude.

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This.. sounds really bad; at least to me, and obviously the author of this article.

Mark Hamill, other than George Lucas, I think really understands Star Wars, the mythos, etc.. If Hamill felt so compelled as to voice that he was frustrated with the direction Johnson was taking the character, then that doesn't really bode very well, at least not for me.

For folks that don't care about Star Wars as much, I get why they wouldn't be bothered by this; but to me, after seeing how TFA was handled, I'm feeling a lot less confident that Johnson will turn this franchise into something still worth watching.

gourimoko said:

This is not good news IMHO:

Star Wars: The Last Jedi
Expect Snoke to remain a mystery, according to Vanity Fair’s David Kemp in a recent Reddit AMA.

I asked Rian Johnson about Snoke—Who/what is he?—and Rian was fairly up front in saying that Snoke is not a character he particularly gets into in TLJ. Hmmm.

That’s not the (potentially) bad part. Mark Hamill revealed to Vanity Fair that he had major issues with the film’s portrayal of Luke Skywalker.

Likewise, after reading Rian Johnson’s script for The Last Jedi, Hamill said, “I at one point had to say to Rian, ‘I pretty much fundamentally disagree with every choice you’ve made for this character. Now, having said that, I have gotten it off my chest, and my job now is to take what you’ve created and do my best to realize your vision.’

Hamill noted that he has the utmost respect for Johnson and The Force Awakens’s director, J.J. Abrams, and is pleased with how both films have turned out. He just wanted to be heard.
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To be fair, actors aren’t necessarily the best arbiters of where stories should go, and Hamill had only played Luke for about five minutes between the end of Return of the Jedi and the start of filming for The Last Jedi. But the fact he “fundamentally disagreed” with “every choice” made for Luke seems like a bad omen of the highest magnitude.

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I heard that a while back. Kinda hard for me to really have an opinion on it, because Hamill is intentionally vague.

col63onel said:

I heard that a while back. Kinda hard for me to really have an opinion on it, because Hamill is intentionally vague.

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He's totally vague but... to voice that he told Johnson before shooting had begun that he "fundamentally disagreed with every choice you’ve made for this character" and then to say, after the movie has finished shooting, that he told him that he had to get it off his chest; to me, that sounds like Hamill is saying "if this sucks, don't blame me, I did my best; this isn't the direction I would have gone, but that's not up to me."

I mean, if it was a thrilling movie, and he believed in it; he'd not have said this and left it at that, surely? Instead he'd have said something along the corny lines of, 'I didn't think it'd be great at first, but as we were getting through it I started to see his vision, and it was all coming together and I was just totally blown away.'

But.. instead, we have this vague, kind of distancing from the film's direction in which one would think he is the (or at least one of the) titular character(s)?

It's.. a disturbing thing to have put out there prior to this movie's release.

It's also worth noting that he was asked and made commentary about his confidence in JJ Abrams, as if to say "don't blame me for that either."

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This could be because Luke isn't on-screen very much? Perhaps Johnson is taking a page from Abrams and has cut Luke's role down so much so that he's essentially nothing more than a Yoda-like figure, with as much screen time and role as Yoda in ESB. That would mean Luke isn't a main character at all, and the explanation and exposition of that might be what Hamill is referring to?

Also, it could mean that Luke has done something completely out of character, that's inexplicable?

Lots of possibilities.

If I remember correctly Mark Hamill pitched an idea to Abrams about Luke turning evil.

Not saying that has anything to do with this, but he could want Luke to be a darker character instead of a secluded monk/ Yoda 2.0

SpanishCavsfan said:

If I remember correctly Mark Hamill pitched an idea to Abrams about Luke turning evil.

Not saying that has anything to do with this, but he could want Luke to be a darker character instead of a secluded monk/ Yoda 2.0

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Hamill has been talking about that for years.. decades... I .. don't think that'd be the problem, I really don't. I mean, I don't think he'd say he had a problem with every decision made if it was something that would be kinda off the wall like Luke going to the dark side, which, isn't even that off-the-wall.

Really impossible to draw any sort of conclusion on this. Just going to have to wait.

The Han Solo film, which began filming in January....just lost its directors.

This is more bizarre than the Griffin saga.

col63onel said:

The Han Solo film, which began filming in January....just lost its directors.

This is more bizarre than the Griffin saga.

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Disney is the dan Gilbert of movies

At least Daisy Ridley is still hot

Report surfaced that Ron Howard is a possibility to take over.

I stand by my belief, regardless of Hamill (who I adore), that making Luke Skywalker turn evil would be dumb as shit. And yeah that quote does bother me, but I'll wait to judge the film on its own merits.

The entire arc of his character was about the temptation of the dark side. Luke loses what little family he has and is given an out from his struggle through his father, the entity that created his pain. Instead, he rejects the dark side and saves Darth Vader from himself. I don't really need to explain how great a story Star Wars told through Luke Skywalker.

Making him turn evil somehow down the line completely undermines everything we know about Luke. It's basically a gimmick for no good reason other than it'd be "cool." I'm baffled how anyone that cares about these movies could suggest it. TFA undermined enough of the OT to be problematic, do we really need this cherry on the proverbial shit sundae?

I still want to know how the First Order are not the rebels in these movies?