A Thread About Women

Cavatt said:

How many cases have you seen where someone's career was destroyed from a single accusation with 0 corroboration or evidence? Im genuinely interested. It seems very unlikely to me.

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Can't speak to entire "career", but in terms of that career with that employer....more than a dozen. They weren't all fired, but people generally don't want that hanging over them.

In my mind a pattern of behavior of harrassment, off color jokes at women's expense, and inappropriate touching can have consequences at work. Why should this behavior be protected?

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It shouldn't be. But there is a massive gray area. About one in six marriages are between people who actually met at work. More than half of Americans have dated someone from work. Try to picture how signals were sent, things that were said, etc..

http://www.businessinsider.com/surprising-office-romance-statistics-2016-2

The whole "flirting" thing is how people send signals of romantic interest, and some are better at it than others. Some are good at receiving signals, and some aren't. Women do that to/about men as well. And they talk about men just as much, if not more, than the other way around.

Btw, I went to a military academy. Back in my day, a male and female could not be in a room with someone of the opposite sex unless the door was all the way open. That subsequently changed, and it isn't surprising that allegations of sexual misconduct - some legitimate and some not - skyrocketed.

ETA: what is scary is when we talk about the "gray area", the lines can move. What was considered fine 10-15 years ago may read differently when splattered about today without context, and what seems okay now may be thought of differently in 10-15 years.

Which is why men are better off keeping their distance.

Cavatt said:

How do gay people ever get together if you can't just go around your office touching people?

Isn't this what we should be talking about? Learn to read cues. Learn to tell where the line is. If you are making someone uncomfortable with your advances, stop.

What if it isn't sexual? Why not stop telling a boring story if people aren't interested? Why not stop bringing up fishing if no one cares or asks?

You really don't have to touch someone inappropriately to find out if they are interested in you. You can usually do it with a touch on the arm or a conversation.

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People are socially retarded. Like way way often. Like almost everyone.

The Human Q-Tip said:

Can't speak to entire "career", but in terms of that career with that employer....more than a dozen.

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A single accuser 0 evidence and no supporting info like inappropriate flirting or any testimony from coworkers?

Cavatt said:

A single accuser 0 evidence and no supporting info like inappropriate flirting or any testimony from coworkers?

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A single accuser is evidence, but yes. Sometimes absolute he said/she said. Other times, an "but it wasn't like that" defense. Often, defense is essentially "we were both joking around and she was even worse", met by flat denials by the woman. There are an almost infinite number of variations.

"He was leering at me." "No, I just freaking looked at her normally, didn't stare or anything." "He made me uncomfortable."

So, you pull the guy in and counsel him, even though he flatly denies doing anything wrong. Dude figures he's fucked, leaves in a month or so.

The Human Q-Tip said:

A single accuser is evidence, but yes. Sometimes absolute he said/she said. Other times, an "but it wasn't like that" defense. Often, defense is essentially "we were both joking around and she was even worse", met by flat denials by the woman. There are an almost infinite number of variations.

"He was leering at me." "No, I just freaking looked at her normally, didn't stare or anything." "He made me uncomfortable."

So, you pull the guy in and counsel him, even though he flatly denies doing anything wrong. Dude figures he's fucked, leaves in a month or so.

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It sounds like good advice for men would be to try to avoid any 1 on 1 interactions with women in the workplace. Always have witnesses around to avoid getting into a he said/she said situation.

We wouldn’t have any of these sexual assault problems in the military if we just didn’t let the women in... I say that as a joke but Trump Tweeted that once.

MediumBaller said:

It sounds like good advice for men would be to try to avoid any 1 on 1 interactions with women in the workplace. Always have witnesses around to avoid getting into a he said/she said situation.

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You have to be reasonable about it. There are going to be plenty of times when your job puts you and a woman in the same project, same office, etc. Nothing the least bit wrong with that.

Where you have to be careful is in terms of work/social events outside the office, including dinner, etc.. or closed door meetings, particularly with subordinates. Better with peers, and obviously okay with people senior to you.

New Chappelle special goes into some deep shit. He's alluding to leaving the business for seeing or being part of some stuff "worse than the rape stuff".

Goes into cointelpro, "being Kevin harted", framed if yiu try to get out, and Michael Jackson probably being innocent.

With some stuff that's come out recently and an ostensible push to normalize pedophilia from many media outlets, ya gotta wonder

David. said:

New Chappelle special goes into some deep shit. He's alluding to leaving the business for seeing or being part of some stuff "worse than the rape stuff".

Goes into cointelpro, "being Kevin harted", framed if yiu try to get out, and Michael Jackson probably being innocent.

With some stuff that's come out recently and an ostensible push to normalize pedophilia from many media outlets, ya gotta wonder

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Wait... what?

ETA: Looked it up... this is literally an info wars headline.

czvo said:

Wait... what?

ETA: Looked it up... this is literally an info wars headline.

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Do I really need to source dozens of pedophilia articles?

Please watch "an open secret". It's even on YouTube.

https://www.theguardian.com/society/2013/jan/03/paedophilia-bringing-dark-desires-light

David. said:

A paragraph is a headline?

Did you watch the special? I literally just gave a bit by bit rundown of what the guy said.

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No, I'm talking about your part where the media is "normalizing pedophilia." How are they doing that? Is that your opinion or his? What evidence is there?

David. said:

Do I really need to source dozens of pedophilia articles?

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I mean... if you're going to claim the mainstream media is attempting to normalize pedophilia, which is a huge and explosive claim to make, it would help to post something, anything, supporting that claim.

Anyone else... am I wrong here?

czvo said:

No, I'm talking about your part where the media is "normalizing pedophilia." How are they doing that? Is that your opinion or his? What evidence is there?

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Edited my original post.

czvo said:

No, I'm talking about your part where the media is "normalizing pedophilia." How are they doing that? Is that your opinion or his? What evidence is there?

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RCF favorite Salon is notorious for the pedophilia shit.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.da...salon-pedophilia-new-normal-aaron-bandler?amp

czvo said:

I mean... if you're going to claim the mainstream media is attempting to normalize pedophilia, which is a huge and explosive claim to make, it would help to post something, anything, supporting that claim.

Anyone else... am I wrong here?

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